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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It makes sense, it's just to complex for you to comprehend.
    It's not complex at all, it's a red herring and a classic one. The things you brought up aren't related to what we are talking about at all.
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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I have a better idea. How about if someone intentionally infects YOU with a potentially deadly disease without your consent? They're just exercising their liberty as free peoples to inflict unnecessary bodily harm on another human being, so we should just leave them alone. Right?
    Well... it seems like they have consent, since the parents are seeking out these infected lollipops and having their mailed to their own address. It's just ignorant because the lollipops contain a live virus and it's not comparable to a vaccine.

    I don't know why the parents are so afraid of their kids getting chicken pox anyway. It's not that serious of a disease and you're immune for life after you have it.

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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Well... it seems like they have consent, since the parents are seeking out these infected lollipops and having their mailed to their own address. It's just ignorant because the lollipops contain a live virus and it's not comparable to a vaccine.
    I was referring to getting consent from the victim of this biological attack, i.e. the child. And since children are legally incapable of consent it's a moot point. It's the moral and legal equivalent of someone on the street walking up and jabbing you in the arm with an infected syringe.

    I don't know why the parents are so afraid of their kids getting chicken pox anyway. It's not that serious of a disease and you're immune for life after you have it.
    It's serious enough that it can cause a child to miss a week of school, or in some cases be hospitalized. And you're also immune after you're vaccinated.
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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I don't appreciate calling people who don't opt for vaccinations degenerate, retards, or people who should be stamped out of the gene pool. That seems to be the subtext in this thread. People who buy live infectious agents over the internet to expose their children are morons. I've said in other threads... myself and my family will not be vaccinated, but it's not like I want to go out and find a live virus to feed to them. That's ludicrous. Who would give their child a lollipop infected with something?
    If you are spreading misinformation about the role and safety of vaccinations then you are part of the problem
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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by bowerbird View Post
    If you are spreading misinformation about the role and safety of vaccinations then you are part of the problem
    I haven't done that. All I've said is that I don't want to be vaccinated. That's stating my personal choice, not a misinformation campaign. If you can't seem to stomach my freedom to seek (or not seek) whatever medicine I choose, then the problem is yours, not mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar
    I was referring to getting consent from the victim of this biological attack, i.e. the child. And since children are legally incapable of consent it's a moot point. It's the moral and legal equivalent of someone on the street walking up and jabbing you in the arm with an infected syringe.
    You'll get no argument from me here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar
    It's serious enough that it can cause a child to miss a week of school, or in some cases be hospitalized. And you're also immune after you're vaccinated.
    Of all the children I've met who have had it, I've never heard of a kid going to the hospital for it. I think that must be pretty rare.

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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Well... it seems like they have consent, since the parents are seeking out these infected lollipops and having their mailed to their own address. It's just ignorant because the lollipops contain a live virus and it's not comparable to a vaccine.

    I don't know why the parents are so afraid of their kids getting chicken pox anyway. It's not that serious of a disease and you're immune for life after you have it.
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    Main article: Herpes zoster
    After a chickenpox infection, the virus remains dormant in the body's nerve tissues. The immune system keeps the virus at bay, but later in life, usually as an adult, it can be reactivated and cause a different form of the viral infection called shingles (scientifically known as herpes zoster).[18]
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    Chickenpox and Shingles

    Chickenpox is a common viral infection that can reappear later in life as shingles. A vaccine is recommended for all infants and non immune adults.


    What is Shingles?

    Shingles is caused by the reactivation of the virus that causes chickenpox, usually in adulthood and many years after the initial chickenpox illness.
    The illness is characterised by a painful chickenpox-like rash on a small area of skin, usually on one side of the body.
    Pain and tingling associated with the rash may persist for weeks or months after the rash has cleared. This is called post-herpetic neuralgia.
    The virus can be spread by direct contact with the skin rash of infected people. This causes chickenpox in people who are not immune.
    Shingles develops more commonly in people who are immunosuppressed.
    Chickenpox and Shingles Factsheet - NSW Department of Health

    So, you are not granting your child immunity - rather the opposite - a probability of experiencing a debilitating and painful disease later in life
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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by bowerbird View Post
    BLARRRRRP! (sound of siren) WRONG!!!


    Chickenpox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Chickenpox and Shingles Factsheet - NSW Department of Health

    So, you are not granting your child immunity - rather the opposite - a probability of experiencing a debilitating and painful disease later in life
    Calm down.

    Most people who have had chicken pox never get shingles in their life. Glad you sounded the alarm bell though... you're being an alarmist.

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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    I got chicken pox when I was 24. Not a pretty sight. Ran a temp of 104.

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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Calm down.

    Most people who have had chicken pox never get shingles in their life. Glad you sounded the alarm bell though... you're being an alarmist.
    Glad it is you not me willing to play Russian Roulette

    And this is what I meant about spreading misinformation - It was obvious from your previous post you had no idea that Shingles is the adult version of Chicken pox and that one did NOT get a life long immunity from contracting the disease.

    And while people tell themselves misinformation i.e. "Why vaccinate we have eliminated the diseases in question" or "Vaccinations cause more harm than good" we will still get Tetanus cases
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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by bowerbird View Post
    Glad it is you not me willing to play Russian Roulette

    And this is what I meant about spreading misinformation - It was obvious from your previous post you had no idea that Shingles is the adult version of Chicken pox and that one did NOT get a life long immunity from contracting the disease.

    And while people tell themselves misinformation i.e. "Why vaccinate we have eliminated the diseases in question" or "Vaccinations cause more harm than good" we will still get Tetanus cases
    Tetanus Surveillance --- United States, 2001--2008
    I already knew what herpes zoster is and that adults get it in the form of shingles, it just doesn't happen that often and it's mostly related to autoimmune disorder which causes the herpes to become active again. And guess what one potential factor is in auto-immune disease? How many vaccines you've had. The research is still preliminary but I find it interesting.

    And can we please not turn this into another thread where I get attacked by you and your OCD authoritarian cohorts who think I shouldn't have the right to said no to a medical procedure? I said no already, so back the hell off.

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