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    Sen. Bernie Sanders: U.S. becoming laughing stock of the world

    Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont said Monday night that the United States was becoming “the laughing stock of the entire world” because of the nation’s crumbling infrastructure. The Senate will take up this week a part of Barack Obama’s American Jobs Act that would provide $60 billion create a National Infrastructure Bank, and to rebuild roads, rails and airports.

    “China is now spending 9 percent of its GDP on infrastructure,” Sanders said on MSNBC’s Politics Nation. “They’re building thousands of miles of high speed rail. Europe, 5 percent. We are at 2.2 percent. We’re becoming the laughing stock of the entire world. ”

    “You want to put people to work tomorrow?” he added. “Start rebuilding the infrastructure. It is incomprehensible to me that the Republicans are opposing that.”
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    Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders: U.S. becoming laughing stock of the world

    Is the headline of the story Bernie Sanders: U.S. senator is a laughingstock?

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    Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders: U.S. becoming laughing stock of the world

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    Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders: U.S. becoming laughing stock of the world

    Typical...Bernie-bashers focusing on the "laughingstock" quote and not focusing on the real substance of what he said. Do any of you have anything to say about the state of our infrastucture and how we're failing to invest in it?
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    I participate in an international forum similar to this one (mostly read there as I have little to add to what they already know). The US is viewed as a very young country that has peaked and is going down the tubes because it does not understand that failing to take care of the basic needs of the citizens (food, shelter, means of livelihood, healthcare) and taking care of the basic needs of the economy (infrastructure and availability of capital) has been the downfall of many, many countries.

    What do you think happened to the USSR? The USA is headed down the same path. Failing to recognize this and fix it will result in the same fate for the USA. Too big to fail? Don't bet on it.

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    Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders: U.S. becoming laughing stock of the world

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Typical...Bernie-bashers focusing on the "laughingstock" quote and not focusing on the real substance of what he said. Do any of you have anything to say about the state of our infrastucture and how we're failing to invest in it?
    Sure...I'll say it. The 'invest in our infrastructure' argument is bull****. Anyone with eyes can see Obama's 'jobs' planis nothing more than a pathetic little attempt to buy off more union votes. States have failed to budget and tax appropriately. Because they failed to budget appropriately they have to lay off public (union) employees and make cuts. There will be no 'job creation'. There will be more money to the states to once again temporarily pay their employees (union employees) just before the election. There will be no requirement for the states to become solvent or budget/tax their citizens appropriately. Your grandchildren will pay for their grand gesture, excpet they wont pay 60 billion...they will pay 60 billion plus 20-30 years of interest.

    Seriously...you never bother to ask "if this is so important that 'we cant wait', why did we wait til the election cycle?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sure...I'll say it. The 'invest in our infrastructure' argument is bull****. Anyone with eyes can see Obama's 'jobs' planis nothing more than a pathetic little attempt to buy off more union votes. States have failed to budget and tax appropriately. Because they failed to budget appropriately they have to lay off public (union) employees and make cuts. There will be no 'job creation'. There will be more money to the states to once again temporarily pay their employees (union employees) just before the election. There will be no requirement for the states to become solvent or budget/tax their citizens appropriately. Your grandchildren will pay for their grand gesture, excpet they wont pay 60 billion...they will pay 60 billion plus 20-30 years of interest.

    Seriously...you never bother to ask "if this is so important that 'we cant wait', why did we wait til the election cycle?"
    Well, there WAS this little thing called the ARRA...so Obama tried to do something about it the moment he got into office. Now you could make the argument that that was a vote-buying measure as well, but that doesn't take away from the fact that our infrastructure is quickly losing the race.
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    Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders: U.S. becoming laughing stock of the world

    Where do these 9% and 2.2% numbers come from? Just because this guy says it doesn't make it so. China has to invest plenty in infrastructure. They don't have any, for God's sake. Does the 2.2% number represent Federal investment? What about states? How come we take this stuff at face value when it tells us what we want to hear? Links? Anybody have links?
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    Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders: U.S. becoming laughing stock of the world

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Where do these 9% and 2.2% numbers come from? Just because this guy says it doesn't make it so. China has to invest plenty in infrastructure. They don't have any, for God's sake. Does the 2.2% number represent Federal investment? What about states? How come we take this stuff at face value when it tells us what we want to hear? Links? Anybody have links?
    If anyone has the time or inclination to read through this whole thing, it's pretty interesting.

    http://www.bafuture.com/sites/defaul...s/Report_0.pdf
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders: U.S. becoming laughing stock of the world

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Well, there WAS this little thing called the ARRA...so Obama tried to do something about it the moment he got into office. Now you could make the argument that that was a vote-buying measure as well, but that doesn't take away from the fact that our infrastructure is quickly losing the race.
    BART in California is one of (I think it is the 5th or 6th) highest utilized mass trans systems in the world. In 2005 it cost 300 million ABOVE fares to maintain annual operations and that doesnt touch the cost of installation, new rolling stock purchase, and that is one of the BETTER fare systems. The cost for installation is huge and to what gain? You not only dont recoup funds, it costs you to manage and maintain the system. So...we should build systems that we KNOW are going to add to city/state/fed gov budget debt?

    Amtrak 71% 2009[8] 29% annual budget deficit
    Atlanta (MARTA) 31.8% 2007[9] 69% annual budget deficit
    Austin (CMTA) 9% 2007[10] 91% annual budget deficit
    Boston (MBTA) 43.7% 2002[11] 54% annual budget deficit
    Chicago (CTA) 55.2% 2010[12] 45% annual budget deficit
    Cleveland (GCRTA) 21.5% 2002[11] 78.5% annual budget deficit

    And on and on
    Dallas (DART) 28.4% 2008[13]
    Detroit (DDOT) 13.9% 2002[14]
    Edmonton (ETS) 39.4% 2007 [15]
    Harrisburg, PA (CAT) 35.0% 2005
    Las Vegas Monorail 56.0% 2006[16]
    Long Island (MTA) 26.6% 2009 Q1[17]
    Los Angeles (LACMTA) 30.6% 2004[18]
    Maryland 26.3% 2002[11]
    Miami 16.1% 2002[11]
    Montreal (STM) 57.1% 2006 [19]
    New York City (MTA) 55.5% 2009 Q1[20]
    New York/Connecticut (MTA) 36.2% 2009 Q1[21]
    New York/New Jersey (PATH) 41.0% 2002[11]
    New Jersey (NJT) 56% 2001[22]
    Orlando (Lynx) 26% 2006[23]
    Ottawa (OC Transpo) 43.2% 2007 [24]
    Philadelphia (SEPTA) 58.6% 2002[11]
    Pierce County, WA 13.0% 2009[25]
    Philadelphia/New Jersey (PATCO) 61.4% 2002[11]
    Portland Metro Area (TriMet) 22% 2010[26]
    Puget Sound Region (King County Metro) 19.1% 2006[27]
    Puget Sound Region (Sound Transit) 22.2% 2007[28]
    San Francisco Bay Area (BART) 64.5% 2008[29]
    San Francisco Bay Area (Caltrain) 41% 2006[30]
    Staten Island (MTA) 15.2% 2002[11]
    Toronto (TTC) 66.7% 2009 [31]
    Toronto, Hamilton and area (GO Transit) 88.4% 2008 [32]
    Vancouver (TransLink) 46.3% 2009 [33]
    Washington, DC (WMATA) 61.6% 2002[11
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