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Two women accused Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior

LuckyDan said:
No, liberals hate him because he's not liberal.

Obama fears him because he's blacker.
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Oh wow. I hope the Republican Party actually believes this because that makes 2012 that much easier for the Dems to win.
 
LuckyDan said:
Perry didn't have to resort to dirty tricks. He was running in Texas against dems.
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Maybe. I'll tell you this -- if he doesn't have someone digging up dirt, he better hurry up and get some. He's playing with the big boys now.
 
theplaydrive said:
I'm from Illinois and I remember that election very well, so I know all about what you're talking about.

Can you prove it or not? Probably not since you just resorted to personal attacks after I asked you a mere question.
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I apologize for being personal. Sincerely.

But no, I am not going to search out links for you. I've played that time-wasting game too many times at DP.

Respectfully.
 
LuckyDan said:
I agree in the sense that Cain's lack of political office makes him unelectable, but being an executive means being a decision maker.
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It does really matter if you're a decision maker. The venue within which one makes decisions matters. One's ability to make decisions depends as much, and likely more, on one's knowledge of the subject at hand as it does on one's will. Yes, Cain has the will to make positive decisions, but only within a certain part of society with a certain body of knowledge most of which has zero relevance to a political office.

BO was never called upon to do more than vote yes or no. His handling of the presidency shows it.
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How so?

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rocket88 said:
Maybe. I'll tell you this -- if he doesn't have someone digging up dirt, he better hurry up and get some. He's playing with the big boys now.
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I have been very disappointed in Perry's performance to date, and I want to see him succeed, but the GOP wants a candidate who can beat Obama. If anyone is working a shovel, it better be digging in Illinois.
 
LuckyDan said:
I apologize for being personal. Sincerely.

But no, I am not going to search out links for you. I've played that time-wasting game too many times at DP.

Respectfully.
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Okay. I'll assume you're referring to Jack Ryan. The reason I'm asking for proof is because Jack Ryan was trailing Obama in the polls before his divorce records were released. While Obama's people did pressure the LA judge to release the records, there isn't any evidence that Obama wouldn't have won even if they hadn't been released. That's pure speculation on your part and not a fact as you presented it.
 
theplaydrive said:
Okay. I'll assume you're referring to Jack Ryan. The reason I'm asking for proof is because Jack Ryan was trailing Obama in the polls before his divorce records were released. While Obama's people did pressure the LA judge to release the records, there isn't any evidence that Obama wouldn't have won even if they hadn't been released. That's pure speculation on your part and not a fact as you presented it.
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So BO did it for fun...well hell, then.

Cain, too, trails BO today.
 
Jetboogieman said:
You know for someone who hates people bringing up race, you certainly do all you ****ing can to keep it front and centre (when it benefits you of course).

These allegations have absolutely nothing to ****ing do with the fact that he's black. And whenever these kinds of allegations are made, everyone who supports that person acts like their person is being skewered, when in one to two weeks we'll be talking about something completely different and it wouldn't have mattered anyway.
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I'm not the one that said Herman Cain is a black man that knows his place. You don't seem to be too bothered about that. I wonder why that is.
 
Returining to the topic at hand, this story is a Politico exclusive, with no actual facts presented. Why isn't Politico under the scope?
 
LuckyDan said:
So BO did it for fun...well hell, then.

Cain, too, trails BO today.
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I never said he did it for fun, I said your claim that he wouldn't have won it isn't backed up by any evidence.

And where is your proof that Obama had anything to do with this information being released about Cain.
 
danarhea said:
Here's the deal:

1) Herman Cain said that he was falsely accused. That is an admission that he was accused, whether falsely or not.

2) The Restaurant Association, of which he was Chairman at the time, paid off both women, on condition that neither party be allowed to disclose the circumstances.

Here is where it gets very interesting:

3) After the Politico article came out, Herman Cain said that the women falsely accused him.

4) In making that statement, the confidentiality agreement is now voided.

5) Which means the women who made the accusations are no longer bound by that agreement. They are free to come forward and speak up.

6) If they don't, then nothing happened in the first place, and both women were out to extort a buck by making the accusations in the first place.

Put it all together, and it shows that:

a) At this time, Herman Cain appears to be telling the truth.

b) Cain chose an ingenious method with which to defend himself from a false accusation. Had he not violated the confidentiality agreement, he could very well have been tarred and feathered with this accusation. Now, he dares the accusers to come out with their accusations, and gets to face his accusers.

Whatever you might say about Cain, he is a pretty savvy guy, and until some proof is brought forward that he committed sexual harrassment, his stock just went up in my book. I still would not vote for him, but he earns my respect.
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First he said there was a payout...then he said later that day no one was paid. How is this a good thing in the rpublican world?
 
Goshin said:
This seems awfully thin on facts and proof, and the timing (coming out just when Cain is gaining momentum) seems very suspicious.

I have my doubts that it will be widely accepted as true without a lot more compelling evidence.
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Then why did Cain say he paid off one of the girls? (Well, of course he is backtracking HIM saying this). Somehow HIM saying this is the liberal media's lynching. lol
 
lpast said:
During Herman Cain’s tenure as the head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, at least two female employees complained to colleagues and senior association officials about inappropriate behavior by Cain, ultimately leaving their jobs at the trade group, multiple sources confirm to POLITICO.
The women complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Cain that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them financial payouts to leave the association. The agreements also included language that bars the women from talking about their departures.
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He should have been cooked already, he either changes his mind or can't remember what he said 24 hours after he made a statement, nice guy unfortunately he has some kind of memory problem.
 
LaMidRighter said:
I'll say this, sexual harrassment laws have grown to an extent that if you tell a dirty joke to your male colleagues and a third party hears it in the other room they can slap you for it, even though you didn't have the intent to offend, or that the outside party wasn't even supposed to be included in the activity. Heck, my dad knew an older guy who got fired for calling a woman hon, she assumed he was being a dirty old man but he literally called all women hon, it was just his way of speaking. In my opinion there are legitimate cases of sexual harrassment and then there is the other 95% that was in the catagory of someone making things bigger than they were.
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I tell dirty jokes. In fact, I don't know any good jokes that I can tell in mixed company. As a result I don't tell those jokes in mixed company, and I definitely don't tell them in any situation where any female colleagues could hear me. That is one way that you can avoid getting hit with sexual harassment claims.

I certainly never refer to any woman I work with as hon, or honey, or anything like that. That is another way that you can avoid getting hit with a sexual harassment claim.

Most importantly, I do not make unwanted sexual advances towards my female co-workers. I don't do that, and they should not have to put up with any guy they work with doing that. I met my wife where we both worked at the time, but I did not make unwanted advances at work. Meeting future wives or girlfriends is quite common in the workplace. There is a difference between that and making unwanted sexual advances towards your coworkers. The fact is, to be accused of sexual harassment, and for that accusation to be credible enough for you to have to pay them, then its not just some slip of the tongue, its an unwanted sexual advance, or being extremely inappropriate with a female coworker.
 
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LuckyDan said:
Now, yeah. I don't know what the numbers will look like a year from now, but Cain is a contender.
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Nein, Nein, Nein.

I know one should not be critical of another's spelling... but the correct spelling is P-R-E-T-E-N-D-E-R.


LuckyDan said:
He's also more black than BO and has better executive cred.
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Wow. I didn't realize that Cain had more than three years experience as the POTUS. I missed that one. Did he slip in there between Clinton and Bush? No, that could not be as he was busy negotiating a settlement to his sexual harassment stuff. It must have been earlier.

...or maybe you are suggesting that X years experience running a pizza franchise better qualifies one to be POTUS than actually having experience as a POTUS. Is it me, or are regressives increasingly making less and less sense? Wait, they have Herman Cain leading in the polls. I guess I answered my own question,
 
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Herman Cain told a co-worker that she was about his wifes height. Bill Clinton pulled his britches down and told Paula Jones to get on her knees. And what about Jeniffer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky. this little bump in the road to the white house is being blown out of proportion by the media.

perspective please.
 
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VanceMack said:
And reelected. So apparently groups like NOW and certainly the majority of Dem voters couldnt care less about something as trivial as allegations of some form of improper conduct around women when they blow off as trivial allegations of rape.

And for the record...he wasnt impeached over sexual misconduct, or having multiple affairs, or rape, or groping a female staffer on the day of her husbands funeral, or exposing himslef to a capaign staffer...he was impeached for lying under oath.
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True...lieing under oath about having sex....btw cain denied it adamantly earlier today and then recanted
 
apdst said:
The Libbos aren't going to sit back and let some uppity nigger steal their spotlight. Not to mention the political clout they will lose, if Herman Cain wins the Republican nomination.

Let's face it folks, Liberalism is already on the ropes. A black Republican winning the presidential nomination will only serve to drive another nail in the coffin.
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An uppity nigger? Oh yea, I'm sure that BS will fly, especially after a black man DID win the Democratic nomination. Last I heard, he became president.

Race bait much?
 
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Objective Voice said:
When you run for public office, especially the highest office in the land, you have to expect that everything about your life - personally and professional - will be called into question. I think it's very appropriate to call Herman Cain's actions into question here because they speak to his character. And since we hold the office of the President of the United States in such high regards...

Put this way, how many of you were pissed off at former President Clinton over his behavior during the Monika Lewinski sex scandal?

What about John Edwards and his affair that's still before the legal system?

Ted Kennedy and Chapaquitick?

JFK and Marline Monroe?

Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill?

The governor who left the country trailing behind his Mistress in South America?

And how about the most recent sex scandle involving the NY Democrat who resigned because sex pics were posted online but he claimed his Facebook account was hacked? (His name escapes me at the moment...)

Sex and politics just don't mix especially when you're of a political party that claims to hold itself up to beholding to "strong moral fiber" and be so God-fearing.

Look, clearly Herman Cain conducted himself inappropriately. Why else would he settle out of court? The issue shouldn't be "this is all old news", but rather "how well does this speak to his character to be President/Commander and Chief"? That's what we should be looking at.
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Exactly. People are missing the point in this. The candidates are going to be vetted. It is a part of our process. We find out how presidential a guy is by his ability to manage the crisis. If he succumbs to this because either A) its a serious problem or B) he simply mishandles the issue now, he should be flushed out of the race.... the sooner the better for all involved. If, on the other hand, he gains control of the issue and can manage through it, it passes a very important test.

The people that are whining about the "main street media" or "liberals hate black conservatives"... well, those people should spend more time managing their fantasy football teams, as they are out of their league/ knowledge set at DP.
 
Newsflash: Men are pigs. Is that really news to everyone?


Did he do it? Hell yes he did. Just as Clinton toyed with Monica am certain Herman has tried using his power to troll a few underlinkings.

Just as much men are sexual pigs we are butt dumb in dealing with the subject when caught.

Cain has already begun that little dance jig and soon his feet will be tripping over themselves. Does anyone remember Clinton's "depending on what your meaning of is is."
It seems that the little head that was doing their thinking during that moment of weakness is the same little head that tries to worm its way out of accusations.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
It's difficult for black Republicans to get elected to the House of Representatives. That requires a district to elect them and there have been only 5 over the last 100 years. It's even more difficult for black Republicans to get elected to the Senate. That requires a state to elect them and there has been only 1 over the last 100 years.

Republicans just don't elect blacks to federal office. At least not so much since the Reconstruction era.
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It was the Democrats that created the Section 5 districts.

You're dreaming if you think a black Republican can get enough states to vote for them to be elected president.
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I don't have the words to describe the ignorance of this comment.
 
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Crosscheck said:
Newsflash: Men are pigs. Is that really news to everyone?


Did he do it? Hell yes he did. Just as Clinton toyed with Monica am certain Herman has tried using his power to troll a few underlinkings.

Just as much men are sexual pigs we are butt dumb in dealing with the subject when caught.

Cain has already begun that little dance jig and soon his feet will be tripping over themselves. Does anyone remember Clinton's "depending on what your meaning of is is."
It seems that the little head that was doing their thinking during that moment of weakness is the same little head that tries to worm its way out of accusations.
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All women are whores.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I tell dirty jokes. In fact, I don't know any good jokes that I can tell in mixed company. As a result I don't tell those jokes in mixed company, and I definitely don't tell them in any situation where any female colleagues could hear me. That is one way that you can avoid getting hit with sexual harassment claims.

I certainly never refer to any woman I work with as hon, or honey, or anything like that. That is another way that you can avoid getting hit with a sexual harassment claim.

Most importantly, I do not make unwanted sexual advances towards my female co-workers. I don't do that, and they should not have to put up with any guy they work with doing that. I met my wife where we both worked at the time, but I did not make unwanted advances at work. Meeting future wives or girlfriends is quite common in the workplace. There is a difference between that and making unwanted sexual advances towards your coworkers. The fact is, to be accused of sexual harassment, and for that accusation to be credible enough for you to have to pay them, then its not just some slip of the tongue, its an unwanted sexual advance, or being extremely inappropriate with a female coworker.
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I was listening to commentary about it today and came away with a few things. The NRA(National Restaurant Association) from my understanding made the payout because Mr. Cain was the leader at the time, Cain himself didn't have anything to do with the payout and seemed surprised which leads me to believe the court costs outweighed the win or in other words it would have cost more to win the case than it was worth to settle. As well I keep in mind that this was the '90s, businesses and organizations were just starting to host mandatory SA seminars so it may not have been something that was necessarily an intended advance but just old school behaviors that may or may not have meant anything. And finally the side bringing all this to light is pretty vague on details, this is mainly because of a gag built into the settlement contracts but that can be waived under certain circumstances. In my opinion the women could have just wanted a payout or Mr. Cain could have made a mistake but either is possible and I give benefit of the doubt because of how open the story is.

As far as the behaviors in the workplace, you play it by the book as far as I can tell and that definitely takes discipline, most of which comes from the prior mentioned seminars. As well we are both younger than Herman Cain and have had the benefit of learning these lines so I guess if there were the indirect things I have mentioned with no intent to cause harm I give him a pass, I'd have to take a second to process where I fall if the behaviors are more obvious though.
 
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