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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Death for non-violent protest.

    Welcome to right wing Amerika, where the police -- not the courts -- determine the limits of your rights.... and your punishment.
    And where you live in relative harmony, and where you don't have to face the Gestapo. But I'm sure it's right up there with fascism. I am sure you are not exaggerating at every level to sound like the system is evil.
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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    Protesting against corporate greed would seem silly if you are assuming OWS is about government reform, but not if they are after a socialist revolution. Put complaints about corporate greed together with complaints about wealth inequality, claims that Wall Street owns the government and that the police are just tools of oppression, and what have you got? The old left wing rhetoric that capitalism is fascism.
    There is a reasonable argument to be made to that effect. The anti-government Tea Party was embraced by the corporatists (the right), while the anti-corporate OWS is being vilified by the right (the corporatists). Coincidence?

    That's not to say that capitalism is not a worthy venture, as long as it is not taken to excess. The same can be said of socialism.

    The U.S. has a definite and long history of embodying both capitalism and socialism; the best of both worlds, if you will. However, as of late, the fascist component of capitalism has been raising its ugly head, as we are seeing in the police response to OWS, as well as the GOP/RWTM (Right Wing Talk Media) response to OWS.

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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter, replying to another View Post
    [...] As far as the guy in his own yard in your example, it sounds like the police were wrong in that case, but the court seems to have corrected it.
    That seems to be a prevalent theme. Of course it is of little consolation to those brutalized in the process.

    Early today [Nashville TN] Night Court Magistrate Tom Nelson sent an email to Davidson County’s General Sessions judges explaining why he refused the THP’s [Tennessee Highway Patrol] request to sign criminal trespassing warrants against Occupy Nashville protesters.

    In the email, obtained by The Tennessean, Nelson said he ordered all of the protesters released from custody because the state had not given the protesters adequate notice that it was changing the rules regarding how and when they could assemble on Legislative Plaza.

    Nelson said “until the new rules and regulations were promulgated there was no crime of Criminal Trespass pertaining to this group of persons for the past 3 weeks.’’

    He noted “It is of particular consternation that the rules and curfew were enacted after a protest movement and occupation of Legislative Plaza had been tolerated for just over 3 weeks, with no notice that the group members were involved in criminal activity.’’

    Night Court commissioner slams state for Occupy Nashville arrests | The Tennessean | tennessean.com


    Oakland police denied using rubber bullets or flashbang grenades to quell demonstrations, though admitted to firing tear gas canisters into the rioting crowd. Protesters claimed police shot rubber bullets and bean bags, and photos of Olsen taken when he was first injured appear to show flashbangs may have been used.

    Update: Iraq War Vet Injured in Occupy Oakland Awaiting Brain Surgery | TheBlaze.com
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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
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    I believe he was pointing out that the system that many of the protesters want to overthrow is the very system that keeps them from being truly "punished", this dramatic victimhood **** is getting annoying.
    Bingo. That was exactly my point.
    Well, then, that is two of you wrong. Surprisingly and blatantly wrong. Here is the group who wants to overthrow the system:




    Tea Party protester. Armed. Advocating the spilling of blood. Government blood, given their overall ideology.

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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    That seems to be a prevalent theme. Of course it is of little consolation to those brutalized in the process.
    You think showing me a picture of a bleeding criminal is going to sway me? Hardly.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Well, then, that is two of you wrong. Surprisingly and blatantly wrong. Here is the group who wants to overthrow the system:




    Tea Party protester. Armed. Advocating the spilling of blood. Government blood, given their overall ideology.
    This proves you don't get it. I don't think protesting is all that useful, but the guy holding a sign quoting a founding father isn't breaking any laws, the idiot bleeding in the other picture disobeyed lawful police commands. If you don't understand the difference or are trying to make a dishonest comparison I have nothing further to tell you.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    That seems to be a prevalent theme. Of course it is of little consolation to those brutalized in the process.
    Well that's just an unfortunate incident that occurred in the process of trying to dispel the crowd.

    I'm sure they didn't aim at him - in fact - you can't actually aim those things accurately when fired. They're not scoped and rifled, you know.
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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well that's just an unfortunate incident that occurred in the process of trying to dispel the crowd.

    I'm sure they didn't aim at him - in fact - you can't actually aim those things accurately when fired. They're not scoped and rifled, you know.
    And it wouldn't have happened at all if they'd all just followed the law and been respectful of the police.


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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's all about Time Place and Manner. Under normal circumstances public offices are generally of open access to the public but under circumstances such as closed office hours, unrest, disaster protocols, and other emergencies cities do have the right to shutter their facilities to authorized personnel, this is for safety. If the city closed off city hall the police were in the right to remove the protesters. As far as the guy in his own yard in your example, it sounds like the police were wrong in that case, but the court seems to have corrected it.
    My position is that it is not always black and white. If those protesting were not causing problems, they had a right to be where they were. If they were causing problems then what you say could come into play. There are instances (I have no idea personally if it applies here) that officials will direct the police to dispurse legally protesting individuals.

    When that is the case the blame falls squarely on the shoulders on the city official. It's why you should know your rights.

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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    There is a reasonable argument to be made to that effect. The anti-government Tea Party was embraced by the corporatists (the right), while the anti-corporate OWS is being vilified by the right (the corporatists). Coincidence?
    They aren't anti-government.

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