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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Shame things are getting more confrontational. I can't support violent behavior, but neither do I support riot police to enforce park curfews.

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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    It's always amusing when people complain about the very thing they are.

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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare, replying to Karl View Post
    I believe he was pointing out that the system that many of the protesters want to overthrow is the very system that keeps them from being truly "punished", this dramatic victimhood **** is getting annoying.
    Well, I believe he and others are pointing out that the protesters should be severely beaten or killed, given the many comparisons to other totalitarian countries that have been posted. In other words, the protesters should be happy to be living in a free country, and damn well stop trying to exercise that freedom -- or suffer the consequences.

    In any case, it seems clear to me that the protesters are complaining about greed, not the government (government inaction, perhaps). Of course, someone with a totalitarian bent may certainly twist the protesters message to be one against the government, which they would then use to justify government (police) action to quell the protests.

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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    In any case, it seems clear to me that the protesters are complaining about greed, not the government (government inaction, perhaps). Of course, someone with a totalitarian bent may certainly twist the protesters message to be one against the government, which they would then use to justify government (police) action to quell the protests.
    As with all protest groups, individuals have different agendas. If they are protesting greed, they'll never accomplish a darned thing. They need to protest the government...the government that's been bought-and-paid-for by Wall Street...the government that has failed to regulate them to the detriment of every homeowner, every saver, everyone except The Street itself.

    If they ever figure that out, they may have staying power. Protesting greed?? Pullleeze.
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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    As with all protest groups, individuals have different agendas. If they are protesting greed, they'll never accomplish a darned thing. They need to protest the government...the government that's been bought-and-paid-for by Wall Street...the government that has failed to regulate them to the detriment of every homeowner, every saver, everyone except The Street itself.

    If they ever figure that out, they may have staying power. Protesting greed?? Pullleeze.
    Walk me through the logic of your post:

    1. Government is controlled by Wall Street (I would, to a significant extent, agree).

    2. You should therefore protest against the government (instead of against Wall Street).

    How am I doing so far?

    Next, I presume you deny that greed is the basis for Wall Street's actions. Am I still on track?

    Personally I think they're doing the right thing for going for the man behind the curtain (Wall Street), as well as his motivation (greed).

    Suggested research: Occupy Wall Street - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia & Adbusters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Last edited by Karl; 10-30-11 at 02:38 PM.

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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It's always amusing when people complain about the very thing they are.
    Who are you referring to? People who technically are not in the 1% but don't approve of the actions of these protesters?

    Or something else?
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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Who are you referring to? People who technically are not in the 1% but don't approve of the actions of these protesters?

    Or something else?
    Not you.....

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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    As with all protest groups, individuals have different agendas. If they are protesting greed, they'll never accomplish a darned thing. They need to protest the government...the government that's been bought-and-paid-for by Wall Street...the government that has failed to regulate them to the detriment of every homeowner, every saver, everyone except The Street itself.

    If they ever figure that out, they may have staying power. Protesting greed?? Pullleeze.
    Protesting against corporate greed would seem silly if you are assuming OWS is about government reform, but not if they are after a socialist revolution. Put complaints about corporate greed together with complaints about wealth inequality, claims that Wall Street owns the government and that the police are just tools of oppression, and what have you got? The old left wing rhetoric that capitalism is fascism.

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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It isn't always that black and white. We had the story a couple weeks ago where a police officer told a person standing in their own yard to leave the area and quit filming him.

    The person didn't. Yes, they were arrested but the charges were dismissed. My point is to know your rights. Nobody has the right to tell anyone they can not enter a city building. A city official may very well instruct police officers to intervene. They may arrest you but you will have been perfectly within your rights. I agree that being violent is only going to backfire. It's never going to work. Showing the government falsely arresting people will do far more for the arguement.

    Public officials often times forget that they are public officials.
    It's all about Time Place and Manner. Under normal circumstances public offices are generally of open access to the public but under circumstances such as closed office hours, unrest, disaster protocols, and other emergencies cities do have the right to shutter their facilities to authorized personnel, this is for safety. If the city closed off city hall the police were in the right to remove the protesters. As far as the guy in his own yard in your example, it sounds like the police were wrong in that case, but the court seems to have corrected it.
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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    I believe he was pointing out that the system that many of the protesters want to overthrow is the very system that keeps them from being truly "punished", this dramatic victimhood **** is getting annoying.
    Bingo. That was exactly my point.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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