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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I guess your point is that your tax dollars are going toward the various bailouts.

    Blame your Congressmen!! They are the jamokes that take tens of millions of dollars in contributions from Wall Street to make sure they're regulated properly...wink/wink. What are the OWS'rs doing on Wall Street? They should be in Washington, Dfrickin'C.

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    I'm sure Republicans are no better. This is bipartisan cheating/conniving/sellingtaxpayersdowntheriver ****.
    Status quo is the status quo. The Republocrats are the status quo. I don't understand how some people think the two parties are different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Status quo is the status quo. The Republocrats are the status quo. I don't understand how some people think the two parties are different.
    Identity politics and tribalism. How else do you control the masses while you control the government? You get them fighting each other.
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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Identity politics and tribalism. How else do you control the masses while you control the government? You get them fighting each other.
    Sadly too. You also can go the Forever War route and create an enemy we can all hate forever. Any critique of why we hate the enemy or why we continue war against the enemy can be met with "Why do you hate America" or "We have to stay until we win!". That way the majority of people don't have to think about the problem. Also ensure under reporting of the conflict to keep Americans as dumb as possible on the subject. Shouldn't risk "information overload" now should we?
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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Sadly too. You also can go the Forever War route and create an enemy we can all hate forever. Any critique of why we hate the enemy or why we continue war against the enemy can be met with "Why do you hate America" or "We have to stay until we win!". That way the majority of people don't have to think about the problem. Also ensure under reporting of the conflict to keep Americans as dumb as possible on the subject. Shouldn't risk "information overload" now should we?
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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Police Use Pepper Spray, Rubber Bullets on Occupy Denver Protesters Trying to Storm Capitol | Video | TheBlaze.com

    Police used pepper spray and rubber bullets to try to quell an Occupy Denver demonstration Saturday as protesters attempted to occupy the state Capitol building.

    The Denver Post reported seven arrests were made, including two for assault and one for disobedience. Police confirmed pepper spray and either rubber bullets or pepper balls were used to break up the crowd, which may have numbered up to 2,000.
    Lt. Matt Murray with the Denver Police told the Post some protesters received medical treatment at the scene, but no one had been taken to the hospital.
    Police and protesters clash on the steps of the state Capitol building. (Denver Post)


    Murray said one officer was knocked off his motorcycle and others were attacked and kicked by protesters...

    This violence has got to stop. These people need to calm down and do something productive instead of provoking the police.
    From more than one person I know at the event: this story is a complete fabrication of facts by the police. There was no "storming" of the capital, there was no violence by the protesters... the police suddenly showed up sporting riot gear; took positions on the capitol steps and began to provoke the protestors.

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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Ghandi BROKE THE LAW. Over and over again. He was arrested repeatedly for doing so. So was MLK.

    Civil disobedience is ABOUT breaking the law to call attention to problems/issues. It is a non-violent way of achieving revolutionary ends without the usually commensurate bloodshed and destruction.

    I understand that many don't approve, but the rhetoric is pretty similar to that faced by the civil rights and vietnam protests, and I bet Ghandis as well.

    There's a whole lotta hatin goin on, but at least the country is discussing these issues, and will continue to do so as long as the Occupations continue.

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    Both Ghandi and MLK accepted the consequences of their actions peacefully. Not only did they not fight back with violence or even anger against the law enforcement that arrested them, but they highly encouraged any of their followers to be as non-violent and respectful as possible during their or their followers' arrests. The battle was taken to the court rooms and the political communities, including those of other countries, not the streets, insulting and throwing things and hindering the police doing their duties.
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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Both Ghandi and MLK accepted the consequences of their actions peacefully. Not only did they not fight back with violence or even anger against the law enforcement that arrested them, but they highly encouraged any of their followers to be as non-violent and respectful as possible during their or their followers' arrests. The battle was taken to the court rooms and the political communities, including those of other countries, not the streets, insulting and throwing things and hindering the police doing their duties.
    There's a right way and a wrong way of course.

    My comments were for all those who reject civil disobedience out of hand. The lawbreaking ITSELF was being decried. That refusal to obey the orders of police ITSELF was justification for any level of brutality. Its been a pretty common theme since the attempts to end the movement by ending the occupations.

    "He got his skull split open for refusing to obey the police. He got what he deserved."

    Lets not forget the brutality and deaths experienced by the "peaceful" protesters of the 60s.

    Further, the isolated instances of unacceptable behavior and even crime from the entire country are being used to justify aggressive police behavior at INDIVIDUAL protests.
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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    This violence has got to stop. These people need to calm down and do something productive instead of provoking the police.
    whata, precisely, abouthat ehem makes you itnkn that this is within the rangag of thigns they would be willing to do?

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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    whata, precisely, abouthat ehem makes you itnkn that this is within the rangag of thigns they would be willing to do?
    are you pwd again?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Denver Occupy Tries to Storm Capitol - Police use pepper spray, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    There's a right way and a wrong way of course.

    My comments were for all those who reject civil disobedience out of hand. The lawbreaking ITSELF was being decried. That refusal to obey the orders of police ITSELF was justification for any level of brutality. Its been a pretty common theme since the attempts to end the movement by ending the occupations.

    "He got his skull split open for refusing to obey the police. He got what he deserved."

    Lets not forget the brutality and deaths experienced by the "peaceful" protesters of the 60s.

    Further, the isolated instances of unacceptable behavior and even crime from the entire country are being used to justify aggressive police behavior at INDIVIDUAL protests.
    The problem is that what these protesters are doing is, in general, the wrong way. So far, most of what I have seen on these protests, especially the instances requiring police actions, the protesters were not following either Ghandi or MLK 's lead and simply allowing themselves to be arrested peacefully, with no hate or actions against the police, this includes Oakland.

    Oakland, they were told to leave the area. (They looked to be in the middle of some street to me, but I've never been to Oakland, so I honestly have no idea where they were.) Instead of simply sitting/standing in silence, waiting to be arrested, they were yelling at the cops and throwing things, paint (earlier in the day), rocks, and bottles, at the least. A hostile atmosphere, especially facing a crowd that the police have already experienced violence from (the paint throwing), leads the cops to expect more violence from the crowd, which means a higher threat level than a "peaceful protest".

    San Diego, they were told to leave the area. Unlike in Oakland, the cops lined up across the center and slowly marched toward the group in riot gear, while the group was yelling at them. The cops calmly arrested protesters who refused to move. The area needed to be cleaned and could not be camped in. (I live here by the way, and pass through downtown at least once a week to get from my house to base for shopping, drill, or just to get paperwork done when my husband is off. I know that downtown San Diego is not real conducive for large groups of people camping in the middle of it. Honestly, I can't imagine very many cities being conducive for camping.) There were around 50 arrests or more that one night, but not a single actual injury. And I think the main reason is that the cops had no reason to believe that the crowd was going to get violent, unlike in Oakland, where they had plenty of reason to believe such a thing.

    People may not deserve to get their skull split, but I do not feel a whole lot of sympathy for someone who was told to leave an area and somehow (since I really couldn't tell from watching any of those videos how or with what the hell the guy was hit) gets injured for not doing so. I highly doubt that any cop meant to peg anyone with a gas canister though, even if the cops shooting them is what actually caused his injury.
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