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    Re: Al Qaeda in the New Libya?

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    The flag, no big deal, but Abdel Hakim Belhaj running things, that's bad: (my bold)
    Prison Planet.com » Al-Qaeda Commander Ordered Sharia Law In Libya


    So much for democracy, "by the people" in Libya.
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    Prison Planet.com » Al-Qaeda Commander Ordered Sharia Law In Libya

    While the establishment media grandstands about “freedom” and “democracy” being brought to Libya and other Middle Eastern countries as a result of the “Arab Spring,” and NATO-backed regime change, in reality the west has deliberately installed radical regimes who if anything will become more brutal than the tyrants they have replaced. This in turn builds tension throughout the region and lays the pretext for additional US and Israeli intervention further down the line.
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    Re: Al Qaeda in the New Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    In case you're unfamiliar with a Al Qaeda it's a global militant Islamist terrorist organization founded by Osama bin Laden, calling for global Jihad and the creation of a new Islamic world wide government.

    Does that appear extreme to you?
    AL-Qaeda isn't a proper terrorist organization.


    Osama Bin Laden - The Director, The Manager, The Engineer. His father was a billionaire construction
    Ayman al Zawahiri - is an Egyptian physician, His wife and three of his six children were killed in an air strike on Afghanistan by US forces in late 2001
    Saif Saif al-Din al-Ansari al-Adel: - al-Qaida’s security chief. a strategic thinker.
    Suleiman Abu Ghaith - spokesman
    Mustafa Ahmed Hassan Hamza - Commander of the military branch of the Islamic Group
    Abu Ubeid al-Qurashi - al-Qaida intellectual, propagandist and writer.
    Midhat Mursi - Al-Qaida’s main WMD researcher and general weapons expert. able for weapons research and development camp interested in chemical and biological weapons, particularly toxins. A good scientist.
    Seikh Saiid al-Masri - Bin Laden chief financier and brother-in-law. Twice arrested, but released both times. A good financier.
    Abu Laith al Libi - An al-Qaeda field commander and spokesman.
    Mustafa Setmariam Nasar - a good politician and a Koranic expert who has traveled widely in Europe.
    Imad Fayez Mugniyah - head of the security apparatus.
    Francisco Palop Monje - part of al-Qaida’s financial network
    Parlindugan Siregar - Instructor of physical training
    Tarek Hdia - logistical supporter
    Maria Dolores Cerda Ibanez - part of financial network
    Aafia Siddiqui - expert for neurological science

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    lot of financiers, scientists, intellectuals, experts, philosophers, psychologists, politicians, men and women. people from afghanistan, egypt, tunisia, iraq, indonesia, kenya, syria, libya, yemen, jordania and even from spain, france, usa.
    Not a bad hirearchy.

    they all came from rich families. Their goal is always "money" rather then "i hate that guy, let's kill him"

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    Re: Al Qaeda in the New Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Apparently I didn't read far enough. *oops* I'm not sure how or why anyone could think the West is deliberately installing al-Qaeda as the leadership in Libya. That's absolutely contradictory to the West's goals.
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    Re: Al Qaeda in the New Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Apparently I didn't read far enough. *oops* I'm not sure how or why anyone could think the West is deliberately installing al-Qaeda as the leadership in Libya. That's absolutely contradictory to the West's goals.
    sometimes when you need to get the castle, best strategy is to capture it from inside.

    Mabye this is what they are having in mind. USA did the same with Sadddam Hussein.

    If you want to destroy Al-Qaeda, then put your men inside it.

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    Re: Al Qaeda in the New Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Apparently I didn't read far enough. *oops* I'm not sure how or why anyone could think the West is deliberately installing al-Qaeda as the leadership in Libya. That's absolutely contradictory to the West's goals.
    I think the word "deliberately" was a poor word choice for the author of the article. It doesn't fit the author's meaning. It appears "inadvertently" is a better fit for what he was trying to to say.
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    Re: Al Qaeda in the New Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I think the word "deliberately" was a poor word choice for the author of the article. It doesn't fit the author's meaning. It appears "inadvertently" is a better fit for what he was trying to to say.
    That makes more sense. If the US sticks it's nose in as much as al-Qaeda, any government formed will be considered a "puppet." In fact, anything a Westerner does in the ME, no matter how well-intentioned, will be met with hostility and mistrust. The West simply cannot win for losing in the ME.
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    Re: Al Qaeda in the New Libya?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Yeah, I can just see al-Queda saying to NATO, "so long, suckers!"

    While NATO and the US try to leave Libya alone for self-determination (as we should), al-Queda has no such scruples. Al-Queda receives zero bad press for interventionism or accusations of imperialism, while the US is constantly accused of it. *sigh*

    Al Quaeda don't get "bad press", like no one in the media has said that they go around brainwashing young men? Or that when its leader is killed, the press didn't cover the celebrations?

    When Muslim groups like Hamas or Al Quaeda is tied to anything, it's automatically assumed to be bad, like this story does. How is that not "bad press"? Why would you think that the US, the shining light of democracy and freedom (or so Americans tend to believe), should be compared to a terrorist group and be held to that same low standard? People shouldn't think it's normal for the US to invade a sovereign country, or engage in anything illegal or atrocious, so it's news when the story emerges. Or are the press not supposed to say that "imperialism" is bad?
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