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    Re: Retired Teacher: Revolution Requires Collapsing American Government

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    Tell me what significance it has.
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    Re: Retired Teacher: Revolution Requires Collapsing American Government

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Tell me what significance it has.
    A protester suggesting that the United States government be overthrown isn't a big deal?
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    Re: Retired Teacher: Revolution Requires Collapsing American Government

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A protester suggesting that the United States government be overthrown isn't a big deal?
    That's what I'm asking you. Why is it a big deal? If it's so obvious you should be able to tell me.

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    Re: Retired Teacher: Revolution Requires Collapsing American Government

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    That's what I'm asking you. Why is it a big deal? If it's so obvious you should be able to tell me.
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    Re: Retired Teacher: Revolution Requires Collapsing American Government

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This isn't a Question/Answer site. If you don't to discuss the thread, go away.
    Excuse me. But apdst is making a claim and I'm asking him why he's making it. That's what happens on a debate sites.

    If you don't like what I'm saying, don't read my comments. You do realize that Josie and Apdst asked me questions as well. Your comment is a joke.

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    Re: Retired Teacher: Revolution Requires Collapsing American Government

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't know what he was asked, but if the story is true, it must have been something like, "Do you think it will require a revolution to collapse the American government?" To which it seems he replied, "Yes, because….the resistance against this will be overwhelming…very strong….and relentless.”

    What a very odd question to ask. I think it was intentionally loaded and inappropriate, frankly. And the man was caught off balance by it...as anyone might be.

    Look, we've got to be able to look through media crap and realize that, first and foremost, they're after a story with legs. Even if they have to engineer one.
    There's a video on the link.

    He was the guy yelling "Revolution now!" at a previous event. He says this is the beginning of the revolution. The reporter asks him where it's going to go from here and he speaks about it going globally. He says in order for revolution to succeed, the protests needs to spread and become bigger everywhere. Then the reporter asks, "Do you think it's going to require collapsing the American government?"

    I think it's an appropriate question after hearing what this guy's idea of the end goal is. And he seemed to not have a problem answering the question honestly. He thought for a second and said, "Uh...personally I think so because I feel that the resistance against this will be overwhelming..."

    Seems like an honest line of questioning there. If you're talking about massive change, the question of completely transforming the government should be brought up.


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    Re: Retired Teacher: Revolution Requires Collapsing American Government

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    That's what I'm asking you. Why is it a big deal? If it's so obvious you should be able to tell me.
    Still waiting...

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    Re: Retired Teacher: Revolution Requires Collapsing American Government

    You have a very weird definition of "joke."
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    Re: Retired Teacher: Revolution Requires Collapsing American Government

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You have a very weird definition of "joke."
    Criticizing me for asking questions on a debate site particularly when others have asked me questions is a joke.

    The topic of this thread is some guy called for revolution. Why does it matter if he called for revolution? That's a valid question that no one seems to be able to answer.

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    Re: Retired Teacher: Revolution Requires Collapsing American Government

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Criticizing me for asking questions on a debate site particularly when others have asked me questions is a joke.

    The topic of this thread is some guy called for revolution. Why does it matter if he called for revolution? That's a valid question that no one seems to be able to answer.
    why does it matter if protestors are racist?
    why does it matter if protestors don't want to pay higher taxes?


    ya see, significance is in the eye of the beholder.
    some may feel that calling for a revolution to end the US government is rather significant... other may feel it insignificant.
    it's pretty obvious that you are in the latter group.

    now, when radical ideas , or notions that go against the grain of society, are presented.. it has the habit of being seen as representative of the movement.
    a few racists in the Tea Party has made a number of folks believe that the movement is racist, or at the very least, tolerant of racism.
    right, wrong, indifferent... it doesn't matter.. that's the way it goes with humans.

    the OWS had a few folks who are truly radical.. communists, anti-capitalists, revolutionaries,freeloaders etc.... and guess what?... those people, right or wrong, will be seen as representing the movement.

    now, I don't personally feel this makes the OWS movement to be one of 'revolution".. not anymore than a racist Tea Partier makes the TPM to be one of racism.
    ... that said, I see the tea party as being a sort of anti-government movement.. and I see the OWS as being an anti-capitalism movement.... primarily because of their targets of protest...
    if a person were to say to me that the Tea Party was no anti-government, i'd disagree with them.. and the same would happen if a person argues that the OWS is not anti-capitalism..... I would use the actions and words of their respective members to argue my point.... and this revolutionary guy would, indeed, be used to display teh anti-capitalist bend of the OWS.

    as an aside , I also see both movements as politically partisan.... which is a major strike against both movements in my book.

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