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    Re: The Federal Court Tells Florida’s Governor Scott To Go Pee In His Own Cup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Not BS. I want to have reasonable assurance that someone I hire is not going to be unreliable or show up to work stoned. I would love to test for alcohol as well, but as it is a legal product, I can't. Show up to work drunk though, and you should be canned without receiving unemployment or any other form of welfare until you dry out...
    I get drug tested for alcohol as well as other drugs. One of my co-workers tested .006 for alcohol and was given a warning. It was residual beer from the night before.

    I don't understand the need to test randomly. An employer should just send someone when they have suspicions of drug use. Don't tell me that you wouldn't notice a meth tweaker in your work group. A stoner with red Chinese eyes? A lethargic downer pill popper? A fat radio show host? Well, it's hard to tell over the radio.

    All these tests are really quite expensive when added up. I suspect that the costs are not derived from corporate profits. Not to mention the people I know who can pass these tests everytime even though they use drugs. That just makes the whole thing laughable.
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    Re: The Federal Court Tells Florida’s Governor Scott To Go Pee In His Own Cup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've never had a job--even in the service--where I didn't have to piss in a cup upon entry, as well as being subject to random testing.

    Since that's my tax money that those deadbeats are getting, I want to be sure that they're not using it to buy drugs. It's bad enough that they spend it on trips to the casino and luxury cruises. I mean, no one seems to mind that the rest of us have to take drugs tests.
    I've had plenty of jobs where that was not the case. In fact the only ones I had to do so for thus far have been low level jobs (like working at WalMart). But as this is government issued money in the form of financial aid, I see little to no purpose in "testing" them. It's just going to consume even more money and make us spend more on the welfare system.
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    Re: The Federal Court Tells Florida’s Governor Scott To Go Pee In His Own Cup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Not BS. I want to have reasonable assurance that someone I hire is not going to be unreliable or show up to work stoned. I would love to test for alcohol as well, but as it is a legal product, I can't. Show up to work drunk though, and you should be canned without receiving unemployment or any other form of welfare until you dry out...
    I'm starting to come around to the point where it is BS. Perhaps too much an infringement upon privacy. I think that if you are NOT performing in your job; then it doesn't matter the reason why, you can be fired. But if you're performing the duties of the job, then there is little reason to fire you just because you may take recreational drugs. .
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    Re: The Federal Court Tells Florida’s Governor Scott To Go Pee In His Own Cup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm starting to come around to the point where it is BS. Perhaps too much an infringement upon privacy. I think that if you are NOT performing in your job; then it doesn't matter the reason why, you can be fired. But if you're performing the duties of the job, then there is little reason to fire you just because you may take recreational drugs. .
    It depends on what field you are in I guess. I don't want to work with heavy equipment operators who are too ****ed up to see or think straight, and I wouldn't want my financial professional or surgeon to be blitzed beyond belief. The guy selling me a car or other item, or a college professor I could care less.
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    Re: The Federal Court Tells Florida’s Governor Scott To Go Pee In His Own Cup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It depends on what field you are in I guess. I don't want to work with heavy equipment operators who are too ****ed up to see or think straight, and I wouldn't want my financial professional or surgeon to be blitzed beyond belief. The guy selling me a car or other item, or a college professor I could care less.
    Yes, this is true as well. Certainly operating heavy equipment needs full use of cognitive abilities. Still if you were someone who went to work, properly operated your heavy equipment, and at home at night smoked a joint...I don't see it as legitimate to fire you. But yes, certainly would depend on field.
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    Re: The Federal Court Tells Florida’s Governor Scott To Go Pee In His Own Cup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, this is true as well. Certainly operating heavy equipment needs full use of cognitive abilities. Still if you were someone who went to work, properly operated your heavy equipment, and at home at night smoked a joint...I don't see it as legitimate to fire you. But yes, certainly would depend on field.
    I agree with that. The big problem is that tests can only say you did y sometime in the effective range, most certainly that doesn't say whether you imbibed at work or not, I think when tests are more accurate you'll see businesses have to be somewhat more lenient.
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    Re: The Federal Court Tells Florida’s Governor Scott To Go Pee In His Own Cup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I agree with that. The big problem is that tests can only say you did y sometime in the effective range, most certainly that doesn't say whether you imbibed at work or not, I think when tests are more accurate you'll see businesses have to be somewhat more lenient.
    True, but I still somehow think this can be performance based for the most part (again it would depend on field, but generally). If someone is taking drugs and it effects their work, then you can note that through their productivity and they can be fired from that line. If they're productivity/safety/etc is not affected, then it should be no business of the company as to what you do when not at work.
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    Re: The Federal Court Tells Florida’s Governor Scott To Go Pee In His Own Cup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    True, but I still somehow think this can be performance based for the most part (again it would depend on field, but generally). If someone is taking drugs and it effects their work, then you can note that through their productivity and they can be fired from that line. If they're productivity/safety/etc is not affected, then it should be no business of the company as to what you do when not at work.
    I can agree with that.
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