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    Re: The Federal Court Tells Florida’s Governor Scott To Go Pee In His Own Cup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've never had a job--even in the service--where I didn't have to piss in a cup upon entry, as well as being subject to random testing.

    Since that's my tax money that those deadbeats are getting, I want to be sure that they're not using it to buy drugs. It's bad enough that they spend it on trips to the casino and luxury cruises. I mean, no one seems to mind that the rest of us have to take drugs tests.
    It reminds me of the Katrina debacle, people saying that the 2k$ allotments weren't enough, well, they would be if used to buy interview clothes and the necessities to get a job. Then there was the woman who complained about the MREs being unsatisfactory, well lady, our troops eat them and they bust ass and sacrifice greatly for us so eat it or don't but that's all you get. Or the whole using assistance in strip clubs thing.

    Anyway I'm getting off topic. Dan, you are right about politicians getting drug tested, as dumb as their decisions are I'm sure they're on dope and since they recieve taxpayer funded salaries test them too, but definitely test wellfare recipients.
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    Re: The Federal Court Tells Florida’s Governor Scott To Go Pee In His Own Cup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It reminds me of the Katrina debacle, people saying that the 2k$ allotments weren't enough, well, they would be if used to buy interview clothes and the necessities to get a job. Then there was the woman who complained about the MREs being unsatisfactory, well lady, our troops eat them and they bust ass and sacrifice greatly for us so eat it or don't but that's all you get. Or the whole using assistance in strip clubs thing.

    Anyway I'm getting off topic. Dan, you are right about politicians getting drug tested, as dumb as their decisions are I'm sure they're on dope and since they recieve taxpayer funded salaries test them too, but definitely test wellfare recipients.
    It's not all that off topic. Remember this?

    In a related development in Washington, auditors detailed how the federal government squandered millions of dollars in Katrina disaster aid, including handing $2,000 debit cards to people who gave phony Social Security numbers and used the money for such items as a $450 tattoo.


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    Re: The Federal Court Tells Florida’s Governor Scott To Go Pee In His Own Cup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    This is the typical bait and switch tactic used by the GOP all over America. Target the poor, make it seem like they are such a huge source of economic drain, and then go for the throat. I seem to recall that no corporate CEOs had to pee into a cup when they received multi trillion dollar bailouts from taxpayers. It's the corporate and banking sectors that have us in this economic mess, not people on welfare.
    Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the lady hits a homerun out of the park....the entire management of every single big oil company that gets taxpayer subsidies for absolutely NOTHING should pee in a cup.....big farms that get taxpayer subsidies to hire illegal workers and charge more per lb for produce should pee in a cup. Every politician for the small town up that lives off taxpayer money should PEE in a cup....
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    Re: The Federal Court Tells Florida’s Governor Scott To Go Pee In His Own Cup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've never had a job--even in the service--where I didn't have to piss in a cup upon entry, as well as being subject to random testing.

    Since that's my tax money that those deadbeats are getting, I want to be sure that they're not using it to buy drugs. It's bad enough that they spend it on trips to the casino and luxury cruises. I mean, no one seems to mind that the rest of us have to take drugs tests.
    I have no problem with people receiving money from the government for nothing. People who sign contracts for services with the government are providing a service and are getting compensated for it. What service are welfare recipients providing.

    I am subject to random drug testing simply for the fact that I am an athlete. No probable cause; just simply due to my status. I don't see the problem here.
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    Re: The Federal Court Tells Florida’s Governor Scott To Go Pee In His Own Cup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I have no problem with people receiving money from the government for nothing. People who sign contracts for services with the government are providing a service and are getting compensated for it. What service are welfare recipients providing.

    I am subject to random drug testing simply for the fact that I am an athlete. No probable cause; just simply due to my status. I don't see the problem here.
    Your post here is picked out of random.

    But I will tell you this drug testing thing is BS.

    You guys do not know what it is like to have every organ in you body checked out.

    And I have them checked every six weeks.

    Some guy and or gal trying to feed their family is a pittance.


    And why people put witht his in the labor market. I do not know!

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    Re: The Federal Court Tells Florida’s Governor Scott To Go Pee In His Own Cup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Your post here is picked out of random.

    But I will tell you this drug testing thing is BS.

    You guys do not know what it is like to have every organ in you body checked out.

    And I have them checked every six weeks.

    Some guy and or gal trying to feed their family is a pittance.


    And why people put witht his in the labor market. I do not know!
    People put up with it because they want a job, and employers enforce it because they want workers who are not addicted to drugs. Perfectly reasonable.

    I would submit (if asked) to random drug testing because I know that is the price to compete. There have been many drug cheats in track (though not so many in marathon running) which makes it necessary.

    If those people don't want to get drug tested for getting welfare, then they should get a job (where they may also be tested by their prospective employer). I know the number is relatively small, but if people are unemployed due (at least partially) to the fact that they are drug addicts, then the taxpayer should not have to support them. I would even suggest that such people could be HELPED by being brought to a rehab clinic where they could even possibly be made employable again.
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    Re: The Federal Court Tells Florida’s Governor Scott To Go Pee In His Own Cup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    People put up with it because they want a job, and employers enforce it because they want workers who are not addicted to drugs. Perfectly reasonable.

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    It is BS. If somebody goes goes home and smokes a joint they should not get canned two weeks later for testing positive.

    It is an absolute power trip and manipulation on employees by th epowers that be.

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    Re: The Federal Court Tells Florida’s Governor Scott To Go Pee In His Own Cup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    It is BS. If somebody goes goes home and smokes a joint they should not get canned two weeks later for testing positive.

    It is an absolute power trip and manipulation on employees by th epowers that be.
    Not BS. I want to have reasonable assurance that someone I hire is not going to be unreliable or show up to work stoned. I would love to test for alcohol as well, but as it is a legal product, I can't. Show up to work drunk though, and you should be canned without receiving unemployment or any other form of welfare until you dry out...
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    Re: The Federal Court Tells Florida’s Governor Scott To Go Pee In His Own Cup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Not BS. I want to have reasonable assurance that someone I hire is not going to be unreliable or show up to work stoned. I would love to test for alcohol as well, but as it is a legal product, I can't. Show up to work drunk though, and you should be canned without receiving unemployment or any other form of welfare until you dry out...
    I have no problem with showing up drunk and or stoned on the job and getting busted. Unless you are in a Hunter S Thompson kind of gig.

    I also have a problem with the guy that goes home and takes a toke or two and gets popped.

    And most people do not show up stoned or drunk.
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    Re: The Federal Court Tells Florida’s Governor Scott To Go Pee In His Own Cup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Do you understand the concept of welfare? Ask the myriad mothers who have no other form of support than to create babies at the tax payers expense?
    That right there tells me you don't understand how the welfare system was suppose to work. I agree with those who say the system was not designed to be a prop for irresponsible parents or individuals who use "motherhood" as a excuse to mooch off the government. However, there are women out there who are single parents by no fault of their own, i.e., divorced mothers, and need help.

    I think people place too much of the blame on the woman and not the man. Whether we want to acknowledge it or not, but there are men out there who walk away from their responsibility and leave raising the kids with their so-called "girlfriend" or estranged spouse. Happens every day. By the same token, there are also women out there who act irresponsibly and have children out of wedlock and expect the state/federal government to provide for them and their illegitimate children. This to me is wrong! But this is also why I think that going after Planned Parenthood so aggressively is a mistake not for the purpose of funding abortions, but rather because women do go there for parenting skills and birth control. But I digress...

    Blaming the woman alone for using the welfare system is a one-sided argument that completely ignores the irresponsibility of the father.

    How about illegal aliens whose health care benefits are comprised of emergency room visits at tax payer expense?
    Illegal aliens using local hospitals for health care is a completely different issue from the welfare argument.

    What do you think "spread the wealth" is all about for millions of Americans? What do you think a "living wage" is for many, working or not?
    Could you please rephrase the question, Alex? If you're asking if I think many Americans are being paid a living wage today, my answer would be no.

    Who do you think pays for social welfare?
    Tax payers...and?

    You seem to think welfare recipients are entitled to tax payer money without obligation? It's free, just come and get it?

    If that's your opinion then you pay for it.
    Over-hyped allegation. Don't know where you get this claim from. I certainly didn't say it. In fact, I've long been an advocate of reforming welfare at the state-level, i.e., limiting how much recipient receive and for how long, as well as tying work/retraining to eligibility and strengthening the job-search verification process. I've never believed in the "free ride" as welfare is now perceived to be. However, I also know from indirect experience that not every person wants to be on welfare, but some people (mothers and some single-parent fathers) have no choice.

    From my perspective, labelling every welfare recipient as lazy and undeserving amount to blind hatred and is just plan foolish.
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