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But I will tell you this drug testing thing is BS.

You guys do not know what it is like to have every organ in you body checked out.

And I have them checked every six weeks.

Some guy and or gal trying to feed their family is a pittance.


And why people put witht his in the labor market. I do not know!

People put up with it because they want a job, and employers enforce it because they want workers who are not addicted to drugs. Perfectly reasonable.

I would submit (if asked) to random drug testing because I know that is the price to compete. There have been many drug cheats in track (though not so many in marathon running) which makes it necessary.

If those people don't want to get drug tested for getting welfare, then they should get a job (where they may also be tested by their prospective employer). I know the number is relatively small, but if people are unemployed due (at least partially) to the fact that they are drug addicts, then the taxpayer should not have to support them. I would even suggest that such people could be HELPED by being brought to a rehab clinic where they could even possibly be made employable again.
 
People put up with it because they want a job, and employers enforce it because they want workers who are not addicted to drugs. Perfectly reasonable.

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It is BS. If somebody goes goes home and smokes a joint they should not get canned two weeks later for testing positive.

It is an absolute power trip and manipulation on employees by th epowers that be.
 
It is BS. If somebody goes goes home and smokes a joint they should not get canned two weeks later for testing positive.

It is an absolute power trip and manipulation on employees by th epowers that be.

Not BS. I want to have reasonable assurance that someone I hire is not going to be unreliable or show up to work stoned. I would love to test for alcohol as well, but as it is a legal product, I can't. Show up to work drunk though, and you should be canned without receiving unemployment or any other form of welfare until you dry out...
 
Not BS. I want to have reasonable assurance that someone I hire is not going to be unreliable or show up to work stoned. I would love to test for alcohol as well, but as it is a legal product, I can't. Show up to work drunk though, and you should be canned without receiving unemployment or any other form of welfare until you dry out...

I have no problem with showing up drunk and or stoned on the job and getting busted. Unless you are in a Hunter S Thompson kind of gig.

I also have a problem with the guy that goes home and takes a toke or two and gets popped.

And most people do not show up stoned or drunk.
 
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Do you understand the concept of welfare? Ask the myriad mothers who have no other form of support than to create babies at the tax payers expense?

That right there tells me you don't understand how the welfare system was suppose to work. I agree with those who say the system was not designed to be a prop for irresponsible parents or individuals who use "motherhood" as a excuse to mooch off the government. However, there are women out there who are single parents by no fault of their own, i.e., divorced mothers, and need help.

I think people place too much of the blame on the woman and not the man. Whether we want to acknowledge it or not, but there are men out there who walk away from their responsibility and leave raising the kids with their so-called "girlfriend" or estranged spouse. Happens every day. By the same token, there are also women out there who act irresponsibly and have children out of wedlock and expect the state/federal government to provide for them and their illegitimate children. This to me is wrong! But this is also why I think that going after Planned Parenthood so aggressively is a mistake not for the purpose of funding abortions, but rather because women do go there for parenting skills and birth control. But I digress...

Blaming the woman alone for using the welfare system is a one-sided argument that completely ignores the irresponsibility of the father.

How about illegal aliens whose health care benefits are comprised of emergency room visits at tax payer expense?

Illegal aliens using local hospitals for health care is a completely different issue from the welfare argument.

What do you think "spread the wealth" is all about for millions of Americans? What do you think a "living wage" is for many, working or not?

Could you please rephrase the question, Alex? If you're asking if I think many Americans are being paid a living wage today, my answer would be no.

Who do you think pays for social welfare?

Tax payers...and?

You seem to think welfare recipients are entitled to tax payer money without obligation? It's free, just come and get it?

If that's your opinion then you pay for it.

Over-hyped allegation. Don't know where you get this claim from. I certainly didn't say it. In fact, I've long been an advocate of reforming welfare at the state-level, i.e., limiting how much recipient receive and for how long, as well as tying work/retraining to eligibility and strengthening the job-search verification process. I've never believed in the "free ride" as welfare is now perceived to be. However, I also know from indirect experience that not every person wants to be on welfare, but some people (mothers and some single-parent fathers) have no choice.

From my perspective, labelling every welfare recipient as lazy and undeserving amount to blind hatred and is just plan foolish.
 
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Not BS. I want to have reasonable assurance that someone I hire is not going to be unreliable or show up to work stoned. I would love to test for alcohol as well, but as it is a legal product, I can't. Show up to work drunk though, and you should be canned without receiving unemployment or any other form of welfare until you dry out...
I get drug tested for alcohol as well as other drugs. One of my co-workers tested .006 for alcohol and was given a warning. It was residual beer from the night before.

I don't understand the need to test randomly. An employer should just send someone when they have suspicions of drug use. Don't tell me that you wouldn't notice a meth tweaker in your work group. A stoner with red Chinese eyes? A lethargic downer pill popper? A fat radio show host? Well, it's hard to tell over the radio.

All these tests are really quite expensive when added up. I suspect that the costs are not derived from corporate profits. Not to mention the people I know who can pass these tests everytime even though they use drugs. That just makes the whole thing laughable.
 
I've never had a job--even in the service--where I didn't have to piss in a cup upon entry, as well as being subject to random testing.

Since that's my tax money that those deadbeats are getting, I want to be sure that they're not using it to buy drugs. It's bad enough that they spend it on trips to the casino and luxury cruises. I mean, no one seems to mind that the rest of us have to take drugs tests.

I've had plenty of jobs where that was not the case. In fact the only ones I had to do so for thus far have been low level jobs (like working at WalMart). But as this is government issued money in the form of financial aid, I see little to no purpose in "testing" them. It's just going to consume even more money and make us spend more on the welfare system.
 
Not BS. I want to have reasonable assurance that someone I hire is not going to be unreliable or show up to work stoned. I would love to test for alcohol as well, but as it is a legal product, I can't. Show up to work drunk though, and you should be canned without receiving unemployment or any other form of welfare until you dry out...

I'm starting to come around to the point where it is BS. Perhaps too much an infringement upon privacy. I think that if you are NOT performing in your job; then it doesn't matter the reason why, you can be fired. But if you're performing the duties of the job, then there is little reason to fire you just because you may take recreational drugs. .
 
I'm starting to come around to the point where it is BS. Perhaps too much an infringement upon privacy. I think that if you are NOT performing in your job; then it doesn't matter the reason why, you can be fired. But if you're performing the duties of the job, then there is little reason to fire you just because you may take recreational drugs. .
It depends on what field you are in I guess. I don't want to work with heavy equipment operators who are too ****ed up to see or think straight, and I wouldn't want my financial professional or surgeon to be blitzed beyond belief. The guy selling me a car or other item, or a college professor I could care less.
 
It depends on what field you are in I guess. I don't want to work with heavy equipment operators who are too ****ed up to see or think straight, and I wouldn't want my financial professional or surgeon to be blitzed beyond belief. The guy selling me a car or other item, or a college professor I could care less.

Yes, this is true as well. Certainly operating heavy equipment needs full use of cognitive abilities. Still if you were someone who went to work, properly operated your heavy equipment, and at home at night smoked a joint...I don't see it as legitimate to fire you. But yes, certainly would depend on field.
 
Yes, this is true as well. Certainly operating heavy equipment needs full use of cognitive abilities. Still if you were someone who went to work, properly operated your heavy equipment, and at home at night smoked a joint...I don't see it as legitimate to fire you. But yes, certainly would depend on field.
I agree with that. The big problem is that tests can only say you did y sometime in the effective range, most certainly that doesn't say whether you imbibed at work or not, I think when tests are more accurate you'll see businesses have to be somewhat more lenient.
 
I agree with that. The big problem is that tests can only say you did y sometime in the effective range, most certainly that doesn't say whether you imbibed at work or not, I think when tests are more accurate you'll see businesses have to be somewhat more lenient.

True, but I still somehow think this can be performance based for the most part (again it would depend on field, but generally). If someone is taking drugs and it effects their work, then you can note that through their productivity and they can be fired from that line. If they're productivity/safety/etc is not affected, then it should be no business of the company as to what you do when not at work.
 
True, but I still somehow think this can be performance based for the most part (again it would depend on field, but generally). If someone is taking drugs and it effects their work, then you can note that through their productivity and they can be fired from that line. If they're productivity/safety/etc is not affected, then it should be no business of the company as to what you do when not at work.
I can agree with that.
 
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