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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Cute, a GI telling me, a 20 year framing carpenter about hard work.
    not just hard work, but responsible fiscal behavior. And I'm a Marine there is a difference.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

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    failure. all three of those guys will end up way ahead. I'm making fairly middling pay (i'm an E-5 in the military with a family, our pay is readily available online), and I'm doing pretty good and will likely end up a multi-millionaire. you work hard in the beginning, and then you achieve in the end. if you don't get blessed with amazing riches in the beginning, that's fine - that's why you work for it.
    Let's be honest here, a large chunk of your pay is via food provided, housing provided, completely free insurance etc. You're basically living the socialists dream.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Let's be honest here, a large chunk of your pay is via food provided, housing provided, completely free insurance etc. You're basically living the socialists dream.
    And you were in the military, sucking up the "socialist's dream" ...... when ?

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    No, no despite the fact that most anyone can do a military job it magically endows them with not leech status, the benefits are not the reason they join, its out of the purity of their hearts.... why theyd give up being payed by the state if they could!

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    And you were in the military, sucking up the "socialist's dream" ...... when ?
    2003-2006, I just did one enlistment.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    That's a pretty weak example of the Dems being "owned" by wall street. Your portrayal as both sides being owned by bankers and brokers just doesn't hold up to what's happened over the last two years. I understand you not wanting to concede that because you'd be admitting that you made false or uneducated statements and apparently you'd prefer people to believe you are infallible. Whatever.

    I do believe that the majority of our congressional members operate with the knowledge that they have to cater to corporate interests because that's who runs the game in this country. I don't deny that. But I do think that position is the status quo on the right and in decreasing favor on the left, there's definitely a difference. And the one member of congress who i actively participated in campaigning for, Al Franken, has been bold in his dealings with the financial sector and if every elected democrat had his integrity, we'd be much better off. That's where I'm standing, and as you can see by my posting history, I have no interest in repeating myself and demanding the last word, so you can savor it for yourself.
    Of course you see it that way. They count on you seeing it that way. It is what has enabled them to run up a 15 trillion dollar debt...all those 'liitle people' that pretend there is a difference and they are on the 'good' side.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Let's be honest here, a large chunk of your pay is via food provided, housing provided, completely free insurance etc. You're basically living the socialists dream.
    Does your socialist dream involve multiple deployments, separation from family, getting shot at, all for low pay?

    On the plus side, nice to see we dont have to scratch very deep beneath the surface to see the typical liberal disdain for the military.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Does your socialist dream involve multiple deployments, separation from family, getting shot at, all for low pay?

    On the plus side, nice to see we dont have to scratch very deep beneath the surface to see the typical liberal disdain for the military.
    Ha, you must of missed where I mentioned I was in the Army from 03-06 and it included a deployment to Baghdad with 1st Cav.

    I definately don't disdain the military in fact completely the opposite. Military healthcare is the only TRUE socialist medicine outside of Cuba and everything is virtually provided. So much so I saved 30k in my one year deployment on E-4 pay.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    The 53% rebuttal has some good points, but the way it's manifesting is through partisan garbage. They perceive the OWS as liberal populism only, and they move to combat it by creating a polar opposite movement. This is what's wrong with America today. The people are so divided and fighting among themselves that the government and corporate powers can have free reign. That's what happens when your logic and sensibilities are shut down by emotional hyperbole.

    Many of the 53%'s arguments are already encompassed by the OWS movement, but a lot of their rebuttals are based on what they are reading in the media and are having emotional responses to. Maybe if they actually went down to their local Occupy protest and asked questions of real people, they would realize that they have more in common than first though. Of course, this is the LAST thing the government wants to happen, so they will keep sending their corporate mass media lackies out to keep the people divided into liberal/conservative.

    I swear... the day that liberals and conservatives come together under one banner, is the day that this government will probably send its military into major cities to stop the protesting. It'd be like two opposite charges coming together to create something powerful.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    The 53% rebuttal has some good points, but the way it's manifesting is through partisan garbage. They perceive the OWS as liberal populism only, and they move to combat it by creating a polar opposite movement. This is what's wrong with America today. The people are so divided and fighting among themselves that the government and corporate powers can have free reign. That's what happens when your logic and sensibilities are shut down by emotional hyperbole.
    I agree...divide and conquer. Conservatives were protesting the bailouts just a couple of years ago. Liberals are protesting crony capitalism. It's virtually the same thing but instead hyper partisan media is spinning it into a left vs right issue.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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