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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    here seems to be a disconnect on both sides here. The right wingers do not seem to realize that collage tuition has risen by about 8% per year. FinAid | Saving for College | Tuition Inflation This means I can borrow more money that I can pay back if I pursue a doctorate ( which I am atm). You think doctors make too much money? Wait to see what I charge as an engineer just to pay back my loans and make a house payment and medical insurance! The point here is that if you look at the inflation rate of the entire 1800,s and then look at the inflation rate of the 2000-2010 you may understand what is happening and why these students are protesting.
    Also the Pope has a bit to say about this. Pope Benedict Radical Liberal? - YouTube
    The students do not realize that though things are definitely in the toilet atm, robbing from anyone no matter the reason is still theft. Say for instance John Q earned 20million honestly and gave 5 million to charity of his own volition. He pays 45% in taxes that is not really passed on to his customers. He tries very hard to do the right thing. You or I cannot rob him of his earnings. I know that there are many who have influenced polocy in Washington and used massive wealth to get bills passed as they desired. There are many that do not. Once you allow the government to take John Q's money you then allow them to take your money. Now realize that in America you are in the top 12% wealthiest people on earth. Do you want the UN to take your money? (This is why America is now 14 Trillion in debt BTW....International redistribution of wealth).
    Both sides need to stop and patiently and carefully listen to the other. Once you do that you can learn a great deal and come to a real solution.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

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    failure. all three of those guys will end up way ahead. I'm making fairly middling pay (i'm an E-5 in the military with a family, our pay is readily available online), and I'm doing pretty good and will likely end up a multi-millionaire. you work hard in the beginning, and then you achieve in the end. if you don't get blessed with amazing riches in the beginning, that's fine - that's why you work for it.
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    The strange thing about your story, Cpwill, about the Hispanic farm workers, is that you think the solution is to make life harder for unemployed people, rather than provide adequate compensation to workers for doing their jobs.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I don't know if I can identify with that. I know for many people it was this seemingly string of circumstances that built up and built up to create this monster snowball effect, and there is seemingly no way out. I can sympathize with that. However, I am a great deal more optimistic than to accept the notion that many of us are just doomed. Times are tough, but I can't quite call foul on the whole system nor know what would dramatically improve our lot. I am still a believer in the American Dream, and I still believe in our ability to have some good amount of control in our lives.
    Well good, optimism is an underrated philosophy. I'm certainly not going to tell you how the movie ends. You go Fiddy! Should I live another 35 years, I'll get back to you.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Bored with it?!?!?! Can you then explain the eruption of threads on this very site obsessing about it to the point of dwelling on the intimate details of ones bathroom habits?

    I suspect politicians are strangely silent about it since they do not want to come down on the "wrong side" of this - whatever that may prove to be down the road.
    There are only a handful of threads about OWS on this site and nearly all of them that were started recently have to do with confrontations with the police. Out or nearly 14,000 members of this message board, there are only a few of us who are showing any interest in anything about OWS other than their confrontations with the police. Dem politicians are staying away because they realize that supporting a group of people who are draining the city treasuries of already impoverished cities and provoking confrontations with police will not play well in the upcoming elections.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Government, particulary the "nanny state" variety, is the problem. The OWS folks are not protesting Government. Bottom line is that they want more Government. So as to make things more "fair".

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    i support smaller and more efficient government like most do. How many of your friends do you hear whining about how they have to pay back student loans? I have many friends who are in debt from student loans, and none of them whine or expect somebody else to pay for them. They do, however, wish for our politicians to represent their best interests rather than continually giving into the wishes of corporate lobbyists. Last I checked, the Democrats were willing to make massive spending cuts in exchange for more federal tax revenues and the GOP was the side blocking any progress from being made.

    Also, protesting isn't whining, it's standing up for yourself. And I'm happy to see my generation taking an interest in politics. It's about time more of us started paying attention to how this country works.
    WHo is getting their pockets lined by the brokers and bankers? Who has their stink on em? thats right...the dems. Both parties take in cash from corporations, but one party takes in the lions share from banks and brokers...and those politicians have a D beside their name.

    These protests are full of people whining about their student loans. Whining about how unfair life is. How unfair it is the rich have more. Wah. life sucs...grab a bucket. You want success? You dont get it bitching about the success of others.

    Thats a funny line...the democrats want to make massive spending cuts in exchange for higher taxes. have you READ what is proposed? 3 trillion in cuts to DEFICIT SPENDING over the next 10 years. Current trends have us deficit spending 1.3 trillion ANNUALY. Forecast over that 10 years, at current spending we will add another 13 trillion to the current 15.5 trillion. If the democrats grand offer goes through it would only be 10 TRILLION over ten years. Got kids? Got grandkids? Go throatpunch them right now and toughen them up so they can be prepared to cover 25 trillion in debt because of this generations stupidity. And thats what is comical...you call that 3 trillion 'progress' and 'massive'.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The strange thing about your story, Cpwill, about the Hispanic farm workers, is that you think the solution is to make life harder for unemployed people, rather than provide adequate compensation to workers for doing their jobs.
    And you still arent offering to give them jobs and adequate compensation. The unions still arent opening factories. Deficit spending isnt creating jobs. Its still all about SOMEONE ELSE...right?

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    WHo is getting their pockets lined by the brokers and bankers? Who has their stink on em? thats right...the dems. Both parties take in cash from corporations, but one party takes in the lions share from banks and brokers...and those politicians have a D beside their name.

    These protests are full of people whining about their student loans. Whining about how unfair life is. How unfair it is the rich have more. Wah. life sucs...grab a bucket. You want success? You dont get it bitching about the success of others.

    Thats a funny line...the democrats want to make massive spending cuts in exchange for higher taxes. have you READ what is proposed? 3 trillion in cuts to DEFICIT SPENDING over the next 10 years. Current trends have us deficit spending 1.3 trillion ANNUALY. Forecast over that 10 years, at current spending we will add another 13 trillion to the current 15.5 trillion. If the democrats grand offer goes through it would only be 10 TRILLION over ten years. Got kids? Got grandkids? Go throatpunch them right now and toughen them up so they can be prepared to cover 25 trillion in debt because of this generations stupidity. And thats what is comical...you call that 3 trillion 'progress' and 'massive'.
    What figures are you talking about? Who voted for wall street during the 2008 bailout? Republicans. Who voted for them again on the issue of financial reform? Republicans. Didn't you read any of these articles last year about how wall street shifted gears to back the GOP?

    Frankly, sounds like you talk a lot and do very little homework.

    Maybe you should stop judging people and start listening to them, you'd learn more.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    What figures are you talking about? Who voted for wall street during the 2008 bailout? Republicans. Who voted for them again on the issue of financial reform? Republicans. Didn't you read any of these articles last year about how wall street shifted gears to back the GOP?

    Frankly, sounds like you talk a lot and do very little homework.

    Maybe you should stop judging people and start listening to them, you'd learn more.
    Did you bother to even read your little article or were you just too excited over the headline? "In a report released late Tuesday, CRP found that people in the securities and investment industry have dramatically reversed their campaign contribution trends, shifting from overwhelming support of Democrats in 2009, to an equally overwhelming support of Republicans in 2010" Someone is just a LITTLE bit selective about their outrage and blame...arent you? Both parties have been doing this for decades. Info me...who controlled the house and senate (and thus all spending legislation) in 2008?

    And hey...I dont blame you for abandoning the whole "Democrat proposals for deficit cuts" argument...that was a loser from the get-go.

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