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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    WOW!!!!! The right wing is really scared of this movement. Now we get this manufactured "response".

    I can hear Buffalo Springfield singing right now

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    Actually, America is growing bored with it. Politicians are keeping their distance and there is hardly any media coverage unless they provoke confrontations with the police.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ah! So THATS what the OWS protesters are upset about? they cant get liver transplants? They arent a bunch of whiny spoiled little ****s that want someone else to pay off their student loans? Huh...guess we are missing that whole "Occupy Wall Street for liver transplants" group. Or is that liver transplant argument just another bull**** argument because the anti-banker/broker influence in politics argument sort of falls flat when you still support the democrats sucking down that cash?
    i support smaller and more efficient government like most do. How many of your friends do you hear whining about how they have to pay back student loans? I have many friends who are in debt from student loans, and none of them whine or expect somebody else to pay for them. They do, however, wish for our politicians to represent their best interests rather than continually giving into the wishes of corporate lobbyists. Last I checked, the Democrats were willing to make massive spending cuts in exchange for more federal tax revenues and the GOP was the side blocking any progress from being made.

    Also, protesting isn't whining, it's standing up for yourself. And I'm happy to see my generation taking an interest in politics. It's about time more of us started paying attention to how this country works.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    Actually, America is growing bored with it. Politicians are keeping their distance and there is hardly any media coverage unless they provoke confrontations with the police.
    Bored with it?!?!?! Can you then explain the eruption of threads on this very site obsessing about it to the point of dwelling on the intimate details of ones bathroom habits?

    I suspect politicians are strangely silent about it since they do not want to come down on the "wrong side" of this - whatever that may prove to be down the road.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    And yet, the issue for many OWSers isn't that they're unwilling to work hard - rather, it's that they can't get the jobs to pay them the salary they need to pay off their student loans and housing and health insurance and other relevant bills.
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    "I've had people calling me wanting to work," Smith said. "I haven't turned any of them down, but they're not any good. It's hard work, they just don't work like the Hispanics with experience."..

    "People in Alabama are not going to do this," said Smith, who grows about 75 acres of tomatoes in the northeast part of the state. "They'd work one day and then just wouldn't show up again."...

    It may make sense for some to sit on the couch. Unemployment benefits provide up to $265 a week while a minimum wage job, at $7.25 an hour for 40 hours, brings in $290.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Those three young men holding up the cards with their stories are living proof that you can't get ahead in America.


    failure. all three of those guys will end up way ahead. I'm making fairly middling pay (i'm an E-5 in the military with a family, our pay is readily available online), and I'm doing pretty good and will likely end up a multi-millionaire. you work hard in the beginning, and then you achieve in the end. if you don't get blessed with amazing riches in the beginning, that's fine - that's why you work for it.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    WOW!!!!! The right wing is really scared of this movement. Now we get this manufactured "response".

    I can hear Buffalo Springfield singing right now

    Paranoia strikes deep
    Into your life it will creep
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    You step out of line, the man come and take you away
    I am NOT right-wing. . . just like all the OWS people aren't all a bunch of liberals.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    It's like we have to teach every generation what it is they need, and try to align their wants with what they need.
    No, you don't need handouts, you need the freedom to live any way you choose.
    No, you don't want to be an indentured servant, please stop offering, work hard and stop worrying. Drink some beer or wine, why the **** do you think they are a cornerstone of human culture? You should live at home if you're worried, no shame. Haven't asian immigrants shown you how to start from nothing and make a great living in the land of opportunity? Oh yes, your issue is denial, which prevents that....

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill
    you work hard in the beginning, and then you achieve in the end.
    Exactly. I admit it took someone far more hard working than myself to show me just how lazy I was. I mean, I worked hard and had a great work ethic, but he worked way beyond what I thought was practical. Eventually I came around and adopted the behavior of his, that made him a success, and low and behold it had the same effect on me. That kid asking for the end, i.e. student loans paid off now, before he's done the hard work? How unethical can you get?
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    i support smaller and more efficient government like most do. How many of your friends do you hear whining about how they have to pay back student loans? I have many friends who are in debt from student loans, and none of them whine or expect somebody else to pay for them. They do, however, wish for our politicians to represent their best interests rather than continually giving into the wishes of corporate lobbyists. Last I checked, the Democrats were willing to make massive spending cuts in exchange for more federal tax revenues and the GOP was the side blocking any progress from being made.

    Also, protesting isn't whining, it's standing up for yourself. And I'm happy to see my generation taking an interest in politics. It's about time more of us started paying attention to how this country works.
    If you are really in favor of "smaller and more efficient government" you don't need more tax revenues, just spending cuts and more efficient use of existing tax revenues. When you raise taxes on the wealthy, you are reducing the amount of investment capital available to the private sector and sparing the government the need to become more efficient.

    If you really want smaller, more efficient government but still think revenues should be increased, then the tax bill should be required to specify exactly what that money will be spent on and require the government to periodically give an accounting of how that money was actually spent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Those three young men holding up the cards with their stories are living proof that you can't get ahead in America. All three are sad stories. The men are just too naive to read their own signs and understand what they mean.

    They're tough, but they seem to be nice guys, and we all know where the nice guys finish in this country.
    I don't know if I can identify with that. I know for many people it was this seemingly string of circumstances that built up and built up to create this monster snowball effect, and there is seemingly no way out. I can sympathize with that. However, I am a great deal more optimistic than to accept the notion that many of us are just doomed. Times are tough, but I can't quite call foul on the whole system nor know what would dramatically improve our lot. I am still a believer in the American Dream, and I still believe in our ability to have some good amount of control in our lives.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    The sad thing is that I think a good portion of people (roughly 53%) are kind of misinterpreting the original intent of OWS. I think it has more to do with protesting the current state the economy is in and the way the government bends to corporate interests instead of the 99% of people who aren't rich. I don't think the intent of OWS is to say, "Wahhhh!!! Rich people have more money than me!!!", though I'm sure there are some involved in OWS who feel that way.

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