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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    actually it's an excellent argument that will appeal to the broad majority of Americans who are still used to the notion that one may have to actually work for something.
    And yet, the issue for many OWSers isn't that they're unwilling to work hard - rather, it's that they can't get the jobs to pay them the salary they need to pay off their student loans and housing and health insurance and other relevant bills.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Those three young men holding up the cards with their stories are living proof that you can't get ahead in America. All three are sad stories. The men are just too naive to read their own signs and understand what they mean.

    They're tough, but they seem to be nice guys, and we all know where the nice guys finish in this country.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Many people enjoy working and enjoy a challenge and take pride at achieving some level of independence despite the difficulties. Why should they side with the OWS whiners? All of these self-proclaimed independent people aren't saying they don't have complaints about the government, they just don't have the unrealistic expectations of the Wall Street mob. We need change but the answer is not insisting the Federal Government provide us a living. That will just make this current level of unemployment permanent.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    We need change but the answer is not insisting the Federal Government provide us a living.
    You seem to think that the OWS crowd is demanding more welfare benefits, which does not seem to be the case.

    Rather, many of the OWSers are young college students who are studying so they can get a good job but are fearful, for a variety of reasons, that there won't be any that pays the salary level they need to pay off the loans they accrue.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    Many people enjoy working and enjoy a challenge and take pride at achieving some level of independence despite the difficulties. Why should they side with the OWS whiners? All of these self-proclaimed independent people aren't saying they don't have complaints about the government, they just don't have the unrealistic expectations of the Wall Street mob. We need change but the answer is not insisting the Federal Government provide us a living. That will just make this current level of unemployment permanent.
    Exactly.

    the "99%" is seeming to identify with this notion that they 'haven't made it until they're millionaires' . . . well - my husband and I aren't millionaires but we've 'made it' - this is likely as 'top of the crop' as we're going to get.

    We're not complaining - but the drive 'forward and up' is always there.

    I was a high-school dropout who still hasn't made it through college and dedicated a good portion of my life towards being a stay-at-home/college mom but I spent over 5 years of my adult working life being management.

    The people who didn't want to work - complained a lot - and quit often - and never got any further in that same amount of time.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    I'm on the younger side and I've seen so many people get in head over heels because of student loans and debt. The jobs just aren't there right now, and you have virtually no choice but to work full-time just to make your minimum payments and take care of insurance and the basics. Is there anything wrong with having to work in order to achieve success? Of course not, nor does anyone expect to achieve success without hard work.

    What sucks is that CEO pay rises at exponential levels while middle and lower-paying jobs creep up slowly over time. When you see all the money going to the elitely wealthy, many of whom have controlling interests in the credit card companies calling you to bug you about writing them yet another check, you wonder why college keeps costing more and more when fewer and fewer people are able to afford it, especially with the lack of jobs we have these days.

    I'm not in debt, thankfully, but I have paid thousands upon thousands of dollars to get a college degree that is currently of no use to me and that has NOTHING to do with how hard I did or didn't work. You can't work your way up from the mail room when you need a job that covers the bills. And on top of all that, I got a high paying job at a fine dining establishment and got laid off because people couldn't afford to eat there! It sucks.

    I don't want hand-outs, and I think I do speak for the majority of people my age/with my experience who don't want hand-outs. We want people earning six figures a year to pay back into the system that allowed them to become six figure earners. We want credit card companies to stop getting preferential legislation from Washington. We want health insurance that doesn't decline our claims or cost an exorbitant amount of money because of the pork added on by insurance company overhead. Why are average people getting laid off when CEOs keep getting pay raises? I think that's what this is about. And last I checked, conservatives were applauding those of us who were getting more involved in democracy.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Well what's silly is that people look at 'inequality of ceo pay' and then assume that if those 'ceo's only were paid less - I'd be paid more'

    You know - run your own company and you can take whatever share of the profits you want.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think it was idiotic for the wall street protesters to call themselves the 99% considering the fact there is a good sizable percentage that make over a 100,000 a year that the OWS would want to make pay more taxes.

    The 53%: Occupy Wall Street backlash - Oct. 26, 2011

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Occupy Wall Street protesters might say they represent 99% of the nation, but there's a growing number of Americans who are making it clear they are not part of the dissident crowd.
    They call themselves the 53%...as in the 53% of Americans who pay federal income taxes. And they are making their voices heard on Tumblr blogs, Twitter and Facebook pages devoted to stories of personal responsibility and work ethic.
    The number originates in the estimate that roughly 47% of Americans don't pay federal income tax, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. The 53 percenters stress the fact that they are paying the taxes that support the government assistance the protesters say they want.
    Said this since day one. They dont represent the '99%' and they despise the homeless so they dont even represent the 47%. They represent that whiny college student that wants someone to pay his student loans. Cuz its not enough that someone already fronted him the money for school...at his request.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I'm on the younger side and I've seen so many people get in head over heels because of student loans and debt. The jobs just aren't there right now, and you have virtually no choice but to work full-time just to make your minimum payments and take care of insurance and the basics. Is there anything wrong with having to work in order to achieve success? Of course not, nor does anyone expect to achieve success without hard work.

    What sucks is that CEO pay rises at exponential levels while middle and lower-paying jobs creep up slowly over time. When you see all the money going to the elitely wealthy, many of whom have controlling interests in the credit card companies calling you to bug you about writing them yet another check, you wonder why college keeps costing more and more when fewer and fewer people are able to afford it, especially with the lack of jobs we have these days.

    I'm not in debt, thankfully, but I have paid thousands upon thousands of dollars to get a college degree that is currently of no use to me and that has NOTHING to do with how hard I did or didn't work. You can't work your way up from the mail room when you need a job that covers the bills. And on top of all that, I got a high paying job at a fine dining establishment and got laid off because people couldn't afford to eat there! It sucks.

    I don't want hand-outs, and I think I do speak for the majority of people my age/with my experience who don't want hand-outs. We want people earning six figures a year to pay back into the system that allowed them to become six figure earners. We want credit card companies to stop getting preferential legislation from Washington. We want health insurance that doesn't decline our claims or cost an exorbitant amount of money because of the pork added on by insurance company overhead. Why are average people getting laid off when CEOs keep getting pay raises? I think that's what this is about. And last I checked, conservatives were applauding those of us who were getting more involved in democracy.
    I seem to recall that the unemployment rate for college grads is 5%. So...just more talking points nonsense? Cant find a job? What did they pursue a degree in? Because...there are only so many ITT Tech jobs, Culinary Chef jobs, massage therapy jobs, liberal arts jobs...poly/sci jobs...etc...

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Those three young men holding up the cards with their stories are living proof that you can't get ahead in America. All three are sad stories. The men are just too naive to read their own signs and understand what they mean.

    They're tough, but they seem to be nice guys, and we all know where the nice guys finish in this country.
    Meanwhile, Yahoo just did a lead story on the fact that for the second straight year, there has been a greater than 5% increase in the number of millionaires in this country. (thats people from the 'middle class' geting ahead).

    One thing is certain...you cant get ahead bitching whining and crying about everyone elses success and ignoring your own effort.

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