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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Here is something ugly. How often do The New York Times, Glen Beck, and the Huffington Post all agree? At least once.
    All of these I got in a short amount of time and it is definitive, especially for those who have read The Coming Insurrection.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    That's exactly it. They are acting as if their hardships are something for this country to be proud of.

    Bull****. Why don't you want a nation where you don't have to work three jobs to survive; where you get an education paid for if you serve your country; and where lazy asses who shuffle money around aren't taxed at a rate half of that of those who actually do real work?

    These may be good guys with good work ethic; but they've let machismo take the place of common sense.

    This used to be a nation where a 40-hour-a-week job was enough to buy a home, feed a family, and still save for retirement and college for the kids. And that was on ONE salary.

    And people run around and act proud of the fact that those things are no longer true and no longer apply to our nation. Hooray! We have to work like dogs just to get by paycheck to paycheck and hope to God we don't come down with a life-threatening illness!!! All so capital gains can be taxed at half the rate of labor!!! Yay for us!!!
    This I agree with.

    Although I do not agree with the methods of the OWS movement, I do agree we the majority of their message. I honestly don't believe that occupying Wall St., or any other city, will fix anything. There are so many problems involved in the situation, that one major protest about a generalization of those problems really doesn't help. We need reasonable, workable solutions to specific problems before complaining about those problems, otherwise nothing is really going to improve.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think it was idiotic for the wall street protesters to call themselves the 99% considering the fact there is a good sizable percentage that make over a 100,000 a year that the OWS would want to make pay more taxes.

    The 53%: Occupy Wall Street backlash - Oct. 26, 2011

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Occupy Wall Street protesters might say they represent 99% of the nation, but there's a growing number of Americans who are making it clear they are not part of the dissident crowd.
    They call themselves the 53%...as in the 53% of Americans who pay federal income taxes. And they are making their voices heard on Tumblr blogs, Twitter and Facebook pages devoted to stories of personal responsibility and work ethic.
    The number originates in the estimate that roughly 47% of Americans don't pay federal income tax, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. The 53 percenters stress the fact that they are paying the taxes that support the government assistance the protesters say they want.
    I smell the Koch Brothers organisations behind this so called movement....
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I smell the Koch Brothers organisations behind this so called movement....
    Unfortunately the people in the area are smelling pot, urine, tear gas, along with other human discharges. Did the Koch brothers cause the civil disobedience and rapes of women in OWS camps? Wow, the support for OWS without offering solutions and without condemning the activities of those groups. Guess there are more leftwing ideologues and radicals than most want to admit.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I smell the Koch Brothers organisations behind this so called movement....
    I don't get it? They are using a hashtag/twitter and 'Erick Erickson, editor-in-chief of the conservative website RedState.com and a CNN contributor, to set up a Tumblr blog'. I assume your presumption is based on money but neither of these two activities would require much money if any at all. Why would they need Koch brothers? Did someone on here accuse G. Soros of 'being behind this OWS thing?

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    That's exactly it. They are acting as if their hardships are something for this country to be proud of.

    Bull****. Why don't you want a nation where you don't have to work three jobs to survive; where you get an education paid for if you serve your country; and where lazy asses who shuffle money around aren't taxed at a rate half of that of those who actually do real work?

    These may be good guys with good work ethic; but they've let machismo take the place of common sense.
    on the contrary - though it is useful to note that you equate "a refusal to suck off of others" as "lacking common sense".

    This used to be a nation where a 40-hour-a-week job was enough to buy a home, feed a family, and still save for retirement and college for the kids. And that was on ONE salary.
    and it still is. the difference is that now we have decided we needed bigger houses, better newer cars, more larger flat screen televisions, and a whole bunch of credit card debt that we didn't use back then. then we wonder where all the money is going... It's not that the baby boomers suffer in ways their parents didn't - it's that their parents were responsible, and the boomers aren't.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    and it still is. the difference is that now we have decided we needed bigger houses, better newer cars, more larger flat screen televisions, and a whole bunch of credit card debt that we didn't use back then. then we wonder where all the money is going... It's not that the baby boomers suffer in ways their parents didn't - it's that their parents were responsible, and the boomers aren't.
    This is just wrong and not really representative of what many face as far as where their money goes, especially those at the lower end of the pay scale. There are plenty of people who work their asses off, do not have credit cards, but still struggle to pay their basic bills, rent, phone, utilities, and groceries. You may not like it, but it is reality for many families.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This is just wrong and not really representative of what many face as far as where their money goes, especially those at the lower end of the pay scale. There are plenty of people who work their asses off, do not have credit cards, but still struggle to pay their basic bills, rent, phone, utilities, and groceries. You may not like it, but it is reality for many families.
    So what is your solution? California is notorious for high taxes which hurt low income workers until they get their state refund. Not sure that many here really know what someone else's expenses are so how can you say they struggle to pay their basic bills. Too many people let the things they want get in the way of the things they need thus don't have the money for the things they need.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This is just wrong and not really representative of what many face as far as where their money goes, especially those at the lower end of the pay scale. There are plenty of people who work their asses off, do not have credit cards, but still struggle to pay their basic bills, rent, phone, utilities, and groceries. You may not like it, but it is reality for many families.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So what is your solution? California is notorious for high taxes which hurt low income workers until they get their state refund. Not sure that many here really know what someone else's expenses are so how can you say they struggle to pay their basic bills. Too many people let the things they want get in the way of the things they need thus don't have the money for the things they need.
    Because I know what a lot of my family's bills are. Many of them struggle to make ends meet, and none have credit cards.

    I also know what we live off of. My husband's base pay now is more than what some people make in a month, and we still struggle just to pay for food, insurance, child needs, cable/internet/phone, and have a little extra money each month for savings. His base pay now is more than he was making when we lived in NC and had to pay rent and utilities. I know people who are struggling.

    And it isn't that hard to calculate how much it would cost for someone to try to live off of min. wage or even a little higher. I have done it a few times before in other threads. You can easily do it by looking up the average cost or even low end costs for living expenses in different cities.

    But, one of the things that many fail to grasp is that there are people out there who are doing decent, you know 2 incomes, good paying job, making enough to pay all their bills and have a little extra, then something happens. A person moves out, the job goes down hill, an unexpected bill comes up, and now the person could easily be sitting with several year or 2 year contracts for all/most their bills and are struggling to make it. Things happen in life.
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