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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Who needs a number one hit when you have these stats?
    That's the thing with show biz, artists are only as good as the last thing they put out.


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    To the agencies.
    And I'd love to stay,
    But there's bills to pay,
    So I just don't have the time.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
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    From wikipedia:
    Who needs a number one hit when you have these stats?
    Most of those sales came either before the "incident", or from fans in other countries after the "incident".

    And most country music fans do not count the Grammys as great awards. Especially since the 5 Grammys that they got after the incident were seen as a political statement, not actually deserved rewards based on the actual music. Even some music industry people admit this is probably true.

    Grammy Sweep by Dixie Chicks Is Seen as a Vindication - New York Times

    Had they not made the comment and gotten the subsequent boycott, they would have been doing even better, probably by a huge amount. Their success in country music was rising at the time of the comment, not falling. Many people loved them.

    For the record, I still own one of their CDs and listen to some of their songs. I just will never buy anything else that gives them money again because I found the comment disrespectful (especially the part about them being "here on the good side with y'all") and their subsequent reactions to the backlash petty and immature.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I would disagree...the issues that are being discussed right now in the media was non-existent for years. I also think the Tea Party didn't put out a real message beyong "don't tax me bro" until they got co-opted by Republicans. Now the people that protested bailouts......want less regulation on wall street and tax breaks for wall street.

    In the words of the ESPN staff....come on man!
    Was not a tea party supporter, still not. I don't agree with them either. In fact, I am much more aligned with the OWS movement. I just don't agree with their methods. They are coming off as whining, complaining, immature assholes who don't have a clue about how to truly deal with the problems.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Most of those sales came either before the "incident", or from fans in other countries after the "incident".

    And most country music fans do not count the Grammys as great awards. Especially since the 5 Grammys that they got after the incident were seen as a political statement, not actually deserved rewards based on the actual music. Even some music industry people admit this is probably true.

    Grammy Sweep by Dixie Chicks Is Seen as a Vindication - New York Times

    Had they not made the comment and gotten the subsequent boycott, they would have been doing even better, probably by a huge amount. Their success in country music was rising at the time of the comment, not falling. Many people loved them.

    For the record, I still own one of their CDs and listen to some of their songs. I just will never buy anything else that gives them money again because I found the comment disrespectful (especially the part about them being "here on the good side with y'all") and their subsequent reactions to the backlash petty and immature.
    To be honest, it's hard for me to relate with people who don't listen to music based on political views. I'm not a country fan, so I couldn't get into the Dixie Chicks from the get go. However, I can't think of a single musician that I like where I would stop liking simply because they had differing political beliefs. Hell, I listen to Charles Manson music every now and then and it has nothing to do with him, but with his talents as a musician.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    To be honest, it's hard for me to relate with people who don't listen to music based on political views. I'm not a country fan, so I couldn't get into the Dixie Chicks from the get go. However, I can't think of a single musician that I like where I would stop liking simply because they had differing political beliefs. Hell, I listen to Charles Manson music every now and then and it has nothing to do with him, but with his talents as a musician.
    I don't think people should get music/entertainment awards based on their political beliefs/principals.

    I honestly don't care if people find me petty, I just don't want to give my hard earned money to people I don't agree with. It is a lot easier to do with music than most other entertainment industries, but I still will do it for other things as well. Now, as I said, I will listen to some of their songs now, I just don't pay for it. And I will watch movies with actors/actresses that I find politically distasteful, but that distaste honestly does play into whether I will own a movie certain movie with them in it or not.

    Right or wrong though, it is a form of protest.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I don't think people should get music/entertainment awards based on their political beliefs/principals.

    I honestly don't care if people find me petty, I just don't want to give my hard earned money to people I don't agree with. It is a lot easier to do with music than most other entertainment industries, but I still will do it for other things as well. Now, as I said, I will listen to some of their songs now, I just don't pay for it. And I will watch movies with actors/actresses that I find politically distasteful, but that distaste honestly does play into whether I will own a movie certain movie with them in it or not.

    Right or wrong though, it is a form of protest.
    I don't think you or anyone else who cares that much about politics are petty. I just personally don't understand it and can't really relate to it.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well the illegal immigration is actually slowing down. The wages for a lot of those jobs are artificially low, it would be hard to make a living; but you could for a short term get by. The real reason for those wages was that they hadn't adjusted in decades and what they paid someone 5 bucks in the 70's for, they still want to pay 5 bucks today. Without illegal immigration those wages would have increased and for certain jobs we would have hired an engineer to come up with a machine.

    Regardless, high sustained unemployment and a very tough market mean that people pay not be finding the jobs. The contention that these OWSers should just go home and get a job is countered by "what jobs!".
    Funny...but people manage to find jobs every day in this country. A good chunk of them can just take their ass back to school. If it is a pro jobs rally...great...then they should have targeted labor as well as industry. See...thats part of the problem with the vague general nature of this protest. What exactly are they whining about again? What change are we talking about? Influence on politicians? The tendency of politicians to favor corporations? Jobs? High student loans? A change to communism? **** the po-lice? Sad they got into home loans they couldnt afford? Pick something.

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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Funny...but people manage to find jobs every day in this country. A good chunk of them can just take their ass back to school. If it is a pro jobs rally...great...then they should have targeted labor as well as industry. See...thats part of the problem with the vague general nature of this protest. What exactly are they whining about again? What change are we talking about? Influence on politicians? The tendency of politicians to favor corporations? Jobs? High student loans? A change to communism? **** the po-lice? Sad they got into home loans they couldnt afford? Pick something.
    If it's pro jobs - I would expect corporations and Wall Street to support OWS and their ability to try and find jobs and be down there gathering up applications and resumes.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    LOL, i gotta ask whoa afthe heck id you serve wiath? man athat must have been a jhooked-up unit. bitching was our oens release. and we were PROS.
    I was raised (literally) by a bunch of old school navy chiefs. You never let the kids see you bitch and when you are with your peers and superiors, you dont bitch, you man-up. Im not implying people didnt on occasion complain...but for the most part...when it came time to do the job...you did the job. I probably saw less of it from my folks because I didnt do it around them.

    I have told both of my sons (1 in the army, 1 in the guard) you get 1 time every 4 years to bitch, whine, complain, yell, scream, and say no. If you say yes and re-up...do the job. That means you support the CIC whoever it is and support your boss. Pays dividends long term.
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    Re: The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If it's pro jobs - I would expect corporations and Wall Street to support OWS and their ability to try and find jobs and be down there gathering up applications and resumes.
    Ummm...why....why exactly do corporatins or Wall Street care about jobs? Where is this false idea that jobs in anyway is the goal of Wall Street or corporations.
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