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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Well, while I was looking for the 7erm for the phenomenon I mentioned I found this:

    Peter Sandman: Agency Communication, Community Outrage, and Perception of Risk: Three Simulation Experiments (Peter M. Sandman website)

    Which while long and drawn out is a pretty thorough demonstration on how the WAY a set of facts is presented directly affects perception of those facts.

    That the same information can be delivered in different ways to effect a desired result in the audience.

    This is a glimpse into the science of public perception manipulation.

    Still looking for that term....
    I already know about writing to perception, I've made the point that they all do it.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Wow, apparently even socialists don't support freeloading. Who could ever have seen that coming? It's almost as if assuming otherwise suggests a complete lack of understanding of what socialists actually believe. That "from each according to his ability" thing... surprising that it doesn't mean "from each according to whatever he feels like" but actually presumes that people are hardworking and dedicated even without being compelled to do so.
    Seeing how a lot of these OWS support taxing the **** out of other income brackets they do support freeloading.Just freeloading off other people not themselves.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    I love when stories like this break. A few people complain about freeloaders, which makes them hypocrites. People take that information and make judgments on the entire OWS as a whole. You'd think after people were posting the myriad of idiotic "The Entire Tea Party Are Racist Because Some Tea Party Guy Sad Something Racist!! OMGWTFBBQ!!" posts that those who sided with the Tea Party would be a tad more sympathetic about making sweeping judgments like these. However, it all boils down to agenda and partisan bull****. That's all it ever boils down to around here, sadly.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I love when stories like this break. A few people complain about freeloaders, which makes them hypocrites. People take that information and make judgments on the entire OWS as a whole. You'd think after people were posting the myriad of idiotic "The Entire Tea Party Are Racist Because Some Tea Party Guy Sad Something Racist!! OMGWTFBBQ!!" posts that those who sided with the Tea Party would be a tad more sympathetic about making sweeping judgments like these. However, it all boils down to agenda and partisan bull****. That's all it ever boils down to around here, sadly.
    I think overall protests like this and the TEA party are a waste of time. Much of these events have a very small percentage of people who actually know what is going on, another small percentage that kind of gets it, and then a lot of rabble that is just there to echo the messages of those two small minorities. Basically protests are mainly a lot of complaining with no usable solutions, that said it is kind of funny when people are at a movement demanding higher taxation from income but bitching that their own work isn't gettting enough respect, you have to admit that much Dr. P.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I think overall protests like this and the TEA party are a waste of time. Much of these events have a very small percentage of people who actually know what is going on, another small percentage that kind of gets it, and then a lot of rabble that is just there to echo the messages of those two small minorities. Basically protests are mainly a lot of complaining with no usable solutions, that said it is kind of funny when people are at a movement demanding higher taxation from income but bitching that their own work isn't gettting enough respect, you have to admit that much Dr. P.
    Oh, I agree. I think they are a waste of time too. Any government entity that bends to the will of protesters would be looked upon as weak. I think it gives people a feeling like they have a voice and they are making a difference. And if that's what they need, that's fine and dandy for them.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Seeing how a lot of these OWS support taxing the **** out of other income brackets they do support freeloading.Just freeloading off other people not themselves.
    You're equating asking those who benefit the most from our society to do their part in improving it, with refusing to do one's part at all. I have no idea how you can make that connection. The OWS protesters aren't asking to be paid for doing nothing. They're asking for the means to work and earn a living to no longer be taken from them for the benefit of the wealthiest in the country. Those making the big bucks in business do so by laying people off to shoot up stock prices, not by actually putting in the work to make a better product that sells better and makes more profit. The literal cost of that wealth for business leaders is other people's livelihoods. That's what's being protested. No one is asking for a handout. OWS is just asking for the gross abuses to end.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I already know about writing to perception, I've made the point that they all do it.
    Seemed to me that you were making the point that because they all get their basic info from the same sources that everyone is telling the same "truth".

    My link clearly shows that the same information can be delivered in such a way to give the impression the author desires, regardless of the information upon which it is based. AND that those who profit by manipulating public opinion are constantly seeking new ways to do so.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Seemed to me that you were making the point that because they all get their basic info from the same sources that everyone is telling the same "truth".
    Not at all, they're all kind of telling the truth but they edit to bias. In other words there is truth in the wire services, and the organizations are passing on the truths that make their point. My point is it is ridiculous to say one particular news organization is a tabloid when they all get the same information and do the exact same things based on their lean.

    My link clearly shows that the same information can be delivered in such a way to give the impression the author desires, regardless of the information upon which it is based. AND that those who profit by manipulating public opinion are constantly seeking new ways to do so.
    See above.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    My point is it is ridiculous to say one particular news organization is a tabloid when they all get the same information and do the exact same things based on their lean.
    The Daily Mail also gets some of it's information from the same places and it's a tabloid as well. Getting news from the same sources of legitimate newspapers is not evidence that the newspaper is not a tabloid. A tabloid is essentially sensationalized news - that's what the NY Post is. Incredibly sensationalized very conservative leaning news.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The Daily Mail also gets some of it's information from the same places and it's a tabloid as well. Getting news from the same sources of legitimate newspapers is not evidence that the newspaper is not a tabloid. A tabloid is essentially sensationalized news - that's what the NY Post is. Incredibly sensationalized very conservative leaning news.
    That's what most of the mainstream news is now. It's about making maximum profit and they do that through salaciousness and sensationalization. If a story is evoking a strong emotional response in you, then you've been hooked by their bait.

    Objective reporting should not involve someone psychologically manipulating you, or screaming in your face with emotional appeals as we are seeing with the pundits.

    People are completely controlled by the media. They are told what to think and feel, and it's so cleverly done that you actually believe you know the full story, without questioning them.

    The best thing people can do is stop watching the news. And if you read the news, only glean it for basic information; then, go to other sources to corroborate the story. There are plenty of independent journalist and eye-witness blogs on the internet now that the truth can be readily assembled by viewing multiple sources and looking for patterns. If you rely only on mainstream sources to find out what is happening in the world, you will not only be emotionally jerked around, you will never hear the full story. They lie by omission routinely.

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