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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's a legitimate newspaper, you may not like that they choose articles more to the right, but the stories are just as true as those in the opposing New York Times, or the Washington Post.
    As someone who has a Broadcasting background, you have to acknowledge that the rights insistence on broadcasting EVERY SINGLE NEGATIVE THING that can be found on OWS leads to the perceptual fallacy that the evening news creates: that the world is more dangerpus than it actually is.

    Seeing every bad thing that happens on the news is because that's what sells news. We think of ONLY the child that was killed, not the millions who weren't.

    This causes a misapprehension of reality. I can't remember offhand what its called, but it is an accepted phenomenon and has a formal name.

    The fact that we have seen DOZENS of negative reports of the protests, many of which are false or deliberately deceptive, and many simply repackaged to appear "new", leads people to believe that its a horrible, dangerous thing.

    It is NOT intended to give an accurate, objective impression, as no positive or ameliorating information is ever provided. Toomuchtime posted the only direct counter to any of this where one of the Occupations was NOT upset about feeding the homeless.

    That as much energy is being spent on a deliberately deceptive PR campaign is actually a very good sign, as it means that OWS is working. Our dialogue is beginning to include subject matter vested interests spend a LOT of money encouraging folks not to think about.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    As someone who has a Broadcasting background, you have to acknowledge that the rights insistence on broadcasting EVERY SINGLE NEGATIVE THING that can be found on OWS leads to the perceptual fallacy that the evening news creates: that the world is more dangerpus than it actually is.

    Seeing every bad thing that happens on the news is because that's what sells news. We think of ONLY the child that was killed, not the millions who weren't.

    This causes a misapprehension of reality. I can't remember offhand what its called, but it is an accepted phenomenon and has a formal name.

    The fact that we have seen DOZENS of negative reports of the protests, many of which are false or deliberately deceptive, and many simply repackaged to appear "new", leads people to believe that its a horrible, dangerous thing.

    It is NOT intended to give an accurate, objective impression, as no positive or ameliorating information is ever provided. Toomuchtime posted the only direct counter to any of this where one of the Occupations was NOT upset about feeding the homeless.

    That as much energy is being spent on a deliberately deceptive PR campaign is actually a very good sign, as it means that OWS is working. Our dialogue is beginning to include subject matter vested interests spend a LOT of money encouraging folks not to think about.
    I will say this. There is very little actual reporting done these days, there are about three maybe four news wire services that do the bulk of reporting with the AP being the most prominant. With that being a reality different news outlets decide which of those stories to run based on the lean, this doesn't make their coverage necessarily untrue but rather selective. Sometimes news can be skewed by reporting more of one side than another, that tends to happen in political matter frequently though, obviously not in this case because these are the facts in the subjects own words on a one sided story, obviously the side of the served isn't all that important to the story because it changes nothing in the sentiment of those working the kitchens.

    Long story short this is an accurate story released by a legitimate paper, the lean does not affect the story. People who are on the protesters side want to dismiss it as a cheap shot, it's not that at all because in the servers own words they feel taken advantage of more or less.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's a legitimate newspaper, you may not like that they choose articles more to the right, but the stories are just as true as those in the opposing New York Times, or the Washington Post.
    The NY Post is not a legitimate newspaper. It is a conservative TABLOID newspaper. It's used to be legitimate, but then Murdoch took it over and changed its focus. The idea that it's only the level of the NY Times or the Washington Post or a similar paper like the Wall Street Journal is preposterous. Not only does it have the classic tabloid print style, it also sensationalizes everything, makes stuff up and selectively spins things in order to paint a negative portrait of the left. There is nothing legitimate about it.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The NY Post is not a legitimate newspaper. It is a conservative TABLOID newspaper. It's used to be legitimate, but then Murdoch took it over and changed its focus. The idea that it's only the level of the NY Times or the Washington Post or a similar paper like the Wall Street Journal is preposterous. Not only does it have the classic tabloid print style, it also sensationalizes everything, makes stuff up and selectively spins things in order to paint a negative portrait of the left. There is nothing legitimate about it.
    They all use the same newswire services. The Post is legit.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    They all use the same newswire services. The Post is legit.
    It's actually not at all, but the fact that you think it is doesn't bode well for your grasp on reality.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It's actually not at all, but the fact that you think it is doesn't bode well for your grasp on reality.
    They all use the same newswire services, every major does for national news, every one.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    They all use the same newswire services, every major does for national news, every one.
    First, why does it matter if they all use the same agencies? Ten people can all get the same story and spin it into oblivion and have their own editors add stuff that isn't there. Fox News and CNN get the same stories all the time and yet their presentation of the stories are often wildly different. I'm not sure what the significance of having the same sources is supposed to have.

    Second, would you share the source for this claim?

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Another propaganda article.

    The fact that you're having an emotional response should prove that the mass media has, once again, claimed another victim.

    Once you get emotional, your critical thinking skills go out the window. Try not to let that happen.
    The New York Post prints propaganda!?!?!?! Well I never!!!!!
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    First, why does it matter if they all use the same agencies? Ten people can all get the same story and spin it into oblivion and have their own editors add stuff that isn't there. Fox News and CNN get the same stories all the time and yet their presentation of the stories are often wildly different. I'm not sure what the significance of having the same sources is supposed to have.

    Second, would you share the source for this claim?
    What part of this aren't you getting exactly? Are you not getting that all news organizations have a lean? Or are you not getting that all news organizations decide what to run and where to edit? Are you NOT getting that they all have the same information and that they don't do their own reporting? Or are you not getting that if you make the argument that a paper you don't agree with is not a legitimate source of information then you are condemning your own sources because THEY ALL USE THE EXACT SAME NEWSWIRE SERVICES. What part do you need help with?
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    What part of this aren't you getting exactly? Are you not getting that all news organizations have a lean? Or are you not getting that all news organizations decide what to run and where to edit? Are you NOT getting that they all have the same information and that they don't do their own reporting? Or are you not getting that if you make the argument that a paper you don't agree with is not a legitimate source of information then you are condemning your own sources because
    No, I get all of that. You, however, don't seem to get that using the same news sources is not evidence of being equally legitimate. The NY Post is not legitimate and your claim that I'm just condemning it because I "don't agree with it" is laughable. The Wall Street Journal also has a conservative lean, but it's a legitimate newspaper that isn't absolutely ridiculous like the New York Post, so please spare me the "you just don't like it 'cause you're a liberal" nonsense.

    THEY ALL USE THE EXACT SAME NEWSWIRE SERVICES. What part do you need help with?
    I want to the see the source of this claim. Why won't you provide it?

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