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Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

Josie said:
Why is it that some people refuse to believe what's right in front of their eyes?
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Why should anyone believe what some anonymous poster puts up on the internet, sans any link or explanation of the source? Do you, like right wing talk media in general, really expect everyone to be stupid? Obama really is a Muslim born in Kenya, right?

Furthermore, given the perfect lighting and timing of that photo, do you really think it was spontaneous rather than staged?

Lastly, who cares about an isolated incident of graffiti? Is that just cause for skull fractures in your opinion?

In this Oct. 25, 2011 photo, 24-year-old Iraq War veteran Scott Olsen lies on the ground bleeding from a head wound after being struck by a projectile during an Occupy Wall Street protest in Oakland, Calif. Olsen suffered a fractured skull while marching with other protesters attempting to reestablish a presence in the area of the disbanded camp, [...]

Iraq war veteran injured at Occupy Wall Street event spent day at work, nights at protest | Grand Forks Herald | Grand Forks, North Dakota
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Is there any level of violence at all that the right wing will eventually say is excessive?
 
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Karl said:
Evidence of a protester being silenced:
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Im still waiting for evidence of the intent to cause that harm.

Besides, he had an opportunity to disburse as ordered by police and go home to come back at 6am and protest some more....

He chose to try to RE-OCCUPY an area and get severely injured in the process.
 
Swit said:
Can you provide a specific example of how protesters are endangering non-protesters?
Can you point me to the specific right of others their actions are somehow inhibiting?
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That's all I've been talking about. I don't have any names but there have been reports of obstruction, rape, fighting, blocking traffic, camping, public urination, public defication, littering, people are creating fire hazards. These are all documented incidences.
 
Karl said:
Why should anyone believe what some anonymous poster puts up on the internet, sans any link or explanation of the source? Do you, like right wing talk media in general, really expect everyone to be stupid?
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You're hopeless.
 
Josie said:
Why is it that some people refuse to believe what's right in front of their eyes?
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They have an ideological box, anything outside doesn't exist to them.
 
Caine said:
Now you are just trolling.

So if an image hosted on the New York Times for their reporting purposes is a picture capturing something that happened in Washington DC its not trustworthy?

You surely are a genius..
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Your failure to formulate a rational argument is highlighted by your personal attacks above.

You posted a photo with no mention or link to the source. Your argument, such as it is, simply does not exist; in lieu thereof, you clearly expect everyone to believe your unsubstantiated posts like some talk radio dittohead. Amazing.
 
Josie said:
You're hopeless.
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Again, although I hate to generalize, the typical right wing response -- personal attacks in lieu of argument. Most likely because the latter simply does not exist. I theorize that the right, conditioned to being told what to think, is simply at a loss when someone else does not follow that lead and asks for some type of reason, or rationale, or proof.

However, in a experiment in socialization, I will ask again -- is Obama a Muslim who was really born in Kenya?
 
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Karl said:
Again, although I hate to generalize, the typical right wing response -- personal attacks in lieu of argument. Most likely because the latter simply does not exist. I theorize that the right, conditioned to being told what to think, is simply at a loss when someone else does not follow that lead and asks for some type of reason, or rationale, or proof.

However, in a experiment in socialization, I will ask again -- is Obama a Muslim who was really born in Kenya?
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Not sure when you asked the first time...

The answer is no.

We're talking about the Occupy movement, not your generalizations about "the right".
 
LaMidRighter said:
That's all I've been talking about. I don't have any names but there have been reports of obstruction, rape, fighting, blocking traffic, camping, public urination, public defication, littering, people are creating fire hazards. These are all documented incidences.
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Then why did you not produce the documents?
 
Josie said:
Not sure when you asked the first time...

The answer is no.

We're talking about the Occupy movement, not your generalizations about "the right".
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Since a group of right wing posts are following the same trend, it is logical to therefore make a generalization. IMHO.

I thank you for your answer. I am somewhat relieved by it.


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All generalizations are false, including this one. -- Mark Twain
 
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LaMidRighter said:
Because they are all over the news. You can read them for yourself.
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If that is true, then you should have no trouble producing them... keeping in mind that it is incumbent upon you to prove your point, not for others (me) to do it for you.

In fact, your news reports are actually reports of reports. Second-hand information. Hearsay. Someone said... according to reports... some are saying.... etc. According to (insert Rupert Murdoch media outlet name here). Who are the eyewitnesses? Unknown. Or none. Vapor. Vapid as well, I'd venture.
 
These news stories, pictures and videos have been posted all of this forum, Karl. You choose to not believe anything negative about these protests. Why is that?
 
Josie said:
He doesn't believe anything police officers say, it seems.
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Police (spokesmen) are the bastion of honesty in rightwingland? To be believed without question? Hmmm.....


Abner Louima (b. 1966 in Thomassin, Haiti) is a Haitian who was assaulted, brutalized and forcibly sodomized with the handle of a bathroom plunger by New York City police officers after being arrested outside a Brooklyn nightclub in 1997.

Abner Louima - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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*facepalms*

I give up.
 
Caine said:
Now it is my turn to play the "no evidence" game.

Where is your evidence that others are using any tactics to silence you? No evidence?
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You are the one hurling around allegations with only hearsay evidence. You have posted images that could have been taken ANYWHERE. We have already seen on this sitw a picture saying "**** the troops" from a protest in 2007, presented as being from OWS.

And another "piece" presented as discovered recently, the contents of which has been floating around for years.

And don't forget the admitted provocateur from the Smithsonian incident.

And Rep Kings plain language instruction to not allow the movement to gain legitimacy.
 
Josie said:
These news stories, pictures and videos have been posted all of this forum, Karl. You choose to not believe anything negative about these protests. Why is that?
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Strawman. I refuse to believe secondhand stories... especially when there is a concerted effort (police, gov't, GOP) to discredit and demean the protestors on what I consider to be partisan grounds. Your mileage may vary (in other words, you may want to uncritically believe things like "I say that so and so said something, which was based on what someone else supposedly said, so it all must be accurate and true).

The pictures show, recently, graffiti and a portable fence being overturned... the latter probably after police provocation. In your opinion, these are crimes worthy of tear gas, flash bangs, and fractured skulls?

The videos show, for the most part, assaults by the police -- so you might want to revisit that part of your argument.

 
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You are the one hurling around allegations with only hearsay evidence. You have posted images that could have been taken ANYWHERE. We have already seen on this sitw a picture saying "**** the troops" from a protest in 2007, presented as being from OWS.

And another "piece" presented as discovered recently, the contents of which has been floating around for years.

And don't forget the admitted provocateur from the Smithsonian incident.

And Rep Kings plain language instruction to not allow the movement to gain legitimacy.
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Well... I have photographs, news articles, and videos that show my positions.

You have.......... Doubt and Conspiracy Theories.
 
from Caine to me

Your acting like a defense attorney who attacks each point of evidence as something independent and not taking the whole picture into account.
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I have been called many things by many people. That is lower than low. I have no comeback to such a slur.
 
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