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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Yes, it was predicted that these would become violent. I've known it was coming for months now.

    I would look long and hard at the leaders of this movement before you trot after them gleefully.
    Lol what leaders.

    Do you really want to get into that same discussion again, Josie?

    And, as you recall, the NYC protest was completely non violent and look what happened. Now a world wide phenomeneom. The only violence committed there was by police officers

    In the beginning of these protests, the police arrestd people who they thought were the leaders so that it would end. But there are no leaders so it didn't end.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Yes, it was predicted that these would become violent. I've known it was coming for months now.

    I would look long and hard at the leaders of this movement before you trot after them gleefully.
    OWS started on Sept 17.

    1.3, while technically more than one is hardly "months".
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    No one got shot.
    Yeah, the guy got shot with a projectile in the head (Supposedly non-lethal) in the head.

    Olsen, 24, was apparently hit in the head with a projectile that the police say is non-lethal. “This poor guy was right behind me when he was hit in the head with a police projectile,” eyewitness Jay Finneburg writes on Indybay. “He went down hard and did not get up.”

    While you'll say it is a projectile it doesn't say bullet; remember, something that causes that much damage must be moving pretty quick.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    Veteran in critical condition after police assault at Occupy Oakland — RT

    Apparently the man mentioned in the article is an Iraq war veteran and is in critical condition.
    Its always precious when we see people that couldnt give a **** about the military suddenly become concerned when they can use them for their causes. Heres the deal...my guess is he wouldnt be hurt today if he was part of the group that refused to follow the police direction and vowed "to return to keep their fight alive, hundreds came back hours later to continue their occupation in downtown Oakland, a neighboring city of San Francisco."

    Ya see...as a combat vet who spent 7 trips to the ME, I know the world is a dangerous place. I also know that if I am behaving in a manner that is consistent with 'civil' disobedience, well...Im entirely likely to get hurt. Vet status doesnt make you impervious to force...especially when the vet carrying such status is employing a healthy dose of stupid.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    Lol what leaders.
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    Let's start with the creators and editors of the Occupy Wall Street Journal. Surely you would agree that the people feeding information and opinion to the protesters in the form of the official newspaper are leaders, right?


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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    They marched on the street. They didn't take over private property. They weren't pitching tents on public land. They didn't throw paint cans at the police.
    Those differences are immaterial in determining the validity of the law. A street and a public park would be treated the same, except where safety issues come into play, in which case the street would be prohibited in favor of the park. Paint cans are irrelevant.

    These people were refused a permit. The law requiring the permit was viewed as too broad and struck down.
    And the same reasoning would apply to the law that everyone must vacate the park at 9. That law is also too broad, as it is coming into conflict with a constitutional right.

    I'm sorry if you don't understand the differences between material and immaterial facts, but the distinguishing factors between the cases I cited and the situation in Oakland do not present a material difference. You are incorrect as to the methods by which judges reach decisions under American common law.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Yeah, the guy got shot with a projectile in the head (Supposedly non-lethal) in the head.

    Olsen, 24, was apparently hit in the head with a projectile that the police say is non-lethal. “This poor guy was right behind me when he was hit in the head with a police projectile,” eyewitness Jay Finneburg writes on Indybay. “He went down hard and did not get up.”

    While you'll say it is a projectile it doesn't say bullet; remember, something that causes that much damage must be moving pretty quick.
    It was more likely a teargas cannister. They come out pretty quick and they arent made out of NERF. maybe ****heads shouldnt refuse to comply with police orders. Just a little hint there. OR...hey...feel free to do so...just dont run around beging for sympathy when you get hurt. Choices have consequences...thats a bitch, right?

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    OWS started on Sept 17.

    1.3, while technically more than one is hardly "months".
    I've known it was coming for months, Whatif. The people leading it said themselves it was going to happen several months before it did. It was PLANNED.


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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
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    Do you understand the difference between a peaceful protestor and a violent one? Do you shoot a peaceful protestor?
    lets be very clear...go to the videos of the Oakland event...do you honestly want to tell me that place was populated by a bunch of peaceful protesters? Cuz...I see a whole bunch of people that are yelling and screaming **** YOU PIGS!!! with nary a mention fo corporate greed, banks, politicians, etc. I see a bunch of little ****heads there to get in on the mayhem. You wonder why the 'movement' is losing steam? Two reason...one...people that go to work are getting tired of them and two...people like those protesters.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    People in this country have a right to peaceably assemble, which they did.
    Which right allows OWS protesters to occupy a common area indefinitely, preventing other citizens from using it?
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