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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Blah Blah Blah Blah Partisan Bull**** Blah Blah Blah Blah.

    Come back when you can debate the topic, which is about Oakland Police Attacking Protesters....

    Nowhere in that topic is this a Liberal Conservative Right Wing Left Wing Democrat Republican ****storm that you are trying to turn it into.
    Thank you for providing 100% validation for the very post from me you ranted against

    It is easy enough to understand. Some of the people who express the most hostility towards demonstrators and the most support for the police action are motivated by their own ideological and political bias. Some, from time to time, pretend that they actually care about such vague concepts as LIBERTY and FREEDOM but they only trot out those tired cliches when it is to the advantage of their side. In reality, they are warriors of the right wing and are only happy to attempt to crush anyone on the left that is viewed through their extreme ideological perspective as the enemy.


    this is really much much too easy. You can predict in broad daylight how some will react and they still will do it despite being called out in advance. Amazing.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

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    Thank you for providing 100% validation for the very post from me you ranted against



    this is really much much too easy. You can predict in broad daylight how some will react and they still will do it despite being called out in advance. Amazing.
    Umm... My opposition to the protesters position has nothing to do with political biases.

    It has everything to do with the fact that they are breaking a law, and when asked to leave refused to do so and attacked police (as evidenced by the protester on the MSNBC video herself) before any attempt to disburse the crowd was used.

    Of course, her reasoning behind throwing stuff at the police is retarded in itself "But they were wearing riot gear!!"
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

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    Umm... My opposition to the protesters position has nothing to do with political biases.

    It has everything to do with the fact that they are breaking a law, and when asked to leave refused to do so and attacked police (as evidenced by the protester on the MSNBC video herself) before any attempt to disburse the crowd was used.

    Of course, her reasoning behind throwing stuff at the police is retarded in itself "But they were wearing riot gear!!"
    If someone assaults a police officer, they should be arrested.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If someone assaults a police officer, they should be arrested.
    Yes, they should.

    But when violence comes from an assembly of angry people shouting obscenities at you, and it is impossible to determine who the many assailants are..... THAT constitutes an unlawful assembly... and then people are legally ordered to disburse. Failure to do so will result in MAKING them disburse. Which is what happened here.

    The injury was an accidental result of an attempt to control Chaos.


    Even if police WERE able to exactly pinpoint the many assailants, do you think it is wise from a standpoint of safety for officers to to INTO an angry crowd to attempt to arrest someone???


    If only police were such wizards that they could shoot a lazer beam at a specific target in a giant crowd and that lazer beam them grabs them and lifts them up above the rest and then brings that person to them for arresting purposes.....

    If only....

    Reality is... You participate in an angry mob and refuse to leave.... You take the responsibility for what happens to you in your own hands.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Police work is not now and never has been an exact science. The reality is that the vast majority of them do a tremendous job under sometimes terrible conditions and in situations that most people would flee from. I do not make it a normal practice to second guess the actions of a good police officer doing their job.

    I do question how police are assigned and what purpose it serves to place them in the middle of a situation like this which has potential to be volatile and dangerous for all concerned.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Police work is not now and never has been an exact science. The reality is that the vast majority of them do a tremendous job under sometimes terrible conditions and in situations that most people would flee from. I do not make it a normal practice to second guess the actions of a good police officer doing their job.

    I do question how police are assigned and what purpose it serves to place them in the middle of a situation like this which has potential to be volatile and dangerous for all concerned.
    In this situation I do not question the GENERAL use of riot control used by the police.

    I DO (and believe everyone should) question why nobody on that line (from the video I saw it was obvious) broke free from the line to assist the guy who was injured when the protesters (from the video) had clearly moved a good distance away from the injured man (I doubt this was planned by them) for long enough for the Officers on the line to move in to assist the fallen man.

    THIS is what disgusts me about the incident.

    Does their failure to run forward to assist this man mean that the entire operation was wrong? No. It does mean that someone somewhere screwed up in regards to their duty to uphold public safety.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    I do not live in California but in Michigan a long long way away. I am not privy to the details of just why these police were engaged in that particular spot that night. Can anyone supply that information?
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I do not live in California but in Michigan a long long way away. I am not privy to the details of just why these police were engaged in that particular spot that night. Can anyone supply that information?
    Oakland Gives 'Occupy Oakland' an Eviction Notice - Pulse of the Bay - The Bay Citizen

    Then

    Police Dismantle Occupy Oakland - The Bay Citizen

    Then

    Police Use Tear Gas on Occupy Oakland - Pulse of the Bay - The Bay Citizen

    Of which the last link is the act that resulted in the injury to the guy.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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