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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    What slippery slope... all I see are
    A false premise (that camping would somehow become a de facto Constitutional Right as a result of allowing occupiers to protest there)
    A false analogy - How on earth do you try to compare an enumerated Constitutionally protected Right to camping.
    Why don't you ask Ikari those questions..... It is his contention that Camping should be allowed if it is in the name of "assembly and free speech". From all that I can tell, there should be nothing stopping the Occupiers from rolling out a sleeping bag in the Mayors office.

    A couple of extremely narrowly constructed logical leaps that assume once a problem has arisen there can be no solution but failure, and a whole lot more "the sky is falling" illogical assumptions as opposed to progressions.

    and to quote you, who appears to be a staunch supporter not allowing this type of behavior:

    According to your parallel universe of absolutes and polar thinking..... Exactly where you want to be. with people NOT having the ability do engage in this type of behavior..... So how does this help your case? Sounds to me like you just came up with the solution.... and according to your own logic..... it appears to be to let them continue do it.
    Im not a fan of the camping.
    Protest, then go sleep somewhere like a normal person, then come back and protest again... Im all good with that.

    But camping out creates lots of problems.
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Excessive force and police brutality = BAD!!

    The right to protest = Good and a RIGHT!!
    Urrr.. *Grunt* Protest GOOD

    Urrr.. *Grunt* Camping BAAAAD
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is easy enough to understand. Some of the people who express the most hostility towards demonstrators and the most support for the police action are motivated by their own ideological and political bias. Some, from time to time, pretend that they actually care about such vague concepts as LIBERTY and FREEDOM but they only trot out those tired cliches when it is to the advantage of their side. In reality, they are warriors of the right wing and are only happy to attempt to crush anyone on the left that is viewed through their extreme ideological perspective as the enemy.
    Blah Blah Blah Blah Partisan Bull**** Blah Blah Blah Blah.

    Come back when you can debate the topic, which is about Oakland Police Attacking Protesters....

    Nowhere in that topic is this a Liberal Conservative Right Wing Left Wing Democrat Republican ****storm that you are trying to turn it into.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Lawrence O'Donnell had a protester on his show the other night. I think he actually thought she was going to say what he wanted her to say, but she didn't...

    LOL... I find her reasoning to be ignorant as hell.

    "I think their response was completely overboard for people throwing bottles and rocks at police in full riot gear."

    So where is that logic going... Im not supposed to shoot back if a guy shoots a gun at me because Im wearing a protective vest?????
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is easy enough to understand. Some of the people who express the most hostility towards demonstrators and the most support for the police action are motivated by their own ideological and political bias. Some, from time to time, pretend that they actually care about such vague concepts as LIBERTY and FREEDOM but they only trot out those tired cliches when it is to the advantage of their side. In reality, they are warriors of the right wing and are only happy to attempt to crush anyone on the left that is viewed through their extreme ideological perspective as the enemy.
    I'm going to carry a concealed firearm, no permit, anywhere, anytime. You down with that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm going to carry a concealed firearm, no permit, anywhere, anytime. You down with that?
    Sure, but I am not going to help you pay your fine or serve your jail time for you.

    And since you agree that it is ok to sometimes to illegal things in pursuit of what you perceive as rights, I expect you to give more leeway to the OWS people.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Sure, but I am not going to help you pay your fine or serve your jail time for you.

    And since you agree that it is ok to sometimes to illegal things in pursuit of what you perceive as rights, I expect you to give more leeway to the OWS people.
    You missed his point.......

    His point was that those who are saying it is okay for these protesters to do whatever they want to/on public lands in the name of assmebly and protest (because we must hold the right of assembly above all other laws) would feel very different if we did the same for the 2ND amendment and the laws restricting it.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You missed his point.......

    His point was that those who are saying it is okay for these protesters to do whatever they want to/on public lands in the name of assmebly and protest (because we must hold the right of assembly above all other laws) would feel very different if we did the same for the 2ND amendment and the laws restricting it.
    I think both things are fundamentally the same argument. Its a morality vs legality consideration.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm going to carry a concealed firearm, no permit, anywhere, anytime. You down with that?
    Here in Arizona you don't need a permit to carry concealed or exposed firearms. Conservative state with lots of freedom.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Sure, but I am not going to help you pay your fine or serve your jail time for you.

    And since you agree that it is ok to sometimes to illegal things in pursuit of what you perceive as rights, I expect you to give more leeway to the OWS people.
    I shouldn't go to jail, or be fined, because the Constitution says that my right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon. Why do you want to take my rights ways from me?

    Why do you hate freedom, liberty and the Constitution. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Right?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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