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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's nice to skim over the facts that multiple laws were broken, including obstruction which is not a minor crime. So it's okay to piss and **** in the streets as long as you call it "expression"? These "people" are completely in the wrong and I have no sympathy for them. These are not peaceful protests especially when you consider a good bit of the rhetoric coming out and the laws that are being broken.
    Throwing a tear gas canister into the crowd as they tend to an injured man is assault, which is not a minor crime.

    Let justice be done. Cite the people standing in the park after curfew. Make them pay their fines. Then throw the cop who assaulted them in jail.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Throwing a tear gas canister into the crowd as they tend to an injured man is assault, which is not a minor crime.

    Let justice be done. Cite the people standing in the park after curfew. Make them pay their fines. Then throw the cop who assaulted them in jail.
    The POLICE, as emergency responders had the responsibility to tend to the injured man, not the protesters. After the crowd charged the police and threw things at them how were they to know what the crowd was up to?
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    Ack...my bad...liberals hate the military when a republican is president. As long as it is a democrat starting wars...its alllll gooood baby. Hypocrites.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

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    A rubber bullet to the head can be just as deadly as a real bullet.

    The behavior of police and government is unacceptable.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Are you laboring under the delusion that I mentioned you by name?
    Not in the least. However, as probably the foremost proponent of extreme Conservatism that I've seen around here, I felt it was my place to point out that not everyone in the Conservative movement, in fact no True Conservative is truly concerned with the ideals of Liberty of Freedom over the ideals of Right and Wrong.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Not in the least. However, as probably the foremost proponent of extreme Conservatism that I've seen around here, I felt it was my place to point out that not everyone in the Conservative movement, in fact no True Conservative is truly concerned with the ideals of Liberty of Freedom over the ideals of Right and Wrong.
    What you are the foremost proponent of here is debatably NOT conservatism.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Throwing a tear gas canister into the crowd as they tend to an injured man is assault, which is not a minor crime.

    Let justice be done. Cite the people standing in the park after curfew. Make them pay their fines. Then throw the cop who assaulted them in jail.
    Hey, nothing is as dangerous in a Democracy as the people practicing their right to assemble on public property. What were they thinking!?

    I mean, what's the alternative to shooting rubber bullets and throwing in gas cannisters...giving an exception to the curfew to a large crowd peacfully assembling? Ridiculous! What next! Communism?
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Hey, nothing is as dangerous in a Democracy as the people practicing their right to assemble on public property. What were they thinking!?

    I mean, what's the alternative to shooting rubber bullets and throwing in gas cannisters...giving an exception to the curfew to a large crowd peacfully assembling? Ridiculous! What next! Communism?
    It's been covered already. If a park is closed it's closed, camping is already illegal in most city parks, "public property" is fine, until you are in the way ala in the streets, blocking others' way, etc. And it is NOT acceptable to attack police for doing their jobs lawfully.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    I would argue that that the constitution (and as amended with the bill of rights) as written by the founding fathers speaks in direct opposition to the above quoted text but trying to debate someone on their personal feelings of other individuals' private thoughts that lived in a different era would be an effort in futility.
    Yet those men went so far as to SEVERELY LIMIT the group of individuals who were allowed to vote to White, Land-Owning, Males. The group of individuals most likely to be Educated, Informed, and to have a full stake in the outcome of the current events that their votes would help shape. Seems to me to be a very different philosophy than the... "Come on everybody, let's go and vote even though we have no idea who or what we're voting for." mentality that is rampant in this nation today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    So as an Authoritarian, would you support an Authoritarian Government that holds views in direct opposition to your own? And if so, why rally against our current government then, the vast majority of arguments akin to "Government is forcing me to do stuff I do not want to do" seems to be coming from those on your end of the political spectrum.
    I am a strong believer that ANY Governmental system needs to be based on Morality and Right/Wrong. That is where our system fails as it is based on what people WANT to do/have rather than what they SHOULD do/have. I have no issue with ACTION against a Government that one finds untennable. What I do have an issue with is people standing around and whining about it rather than doing something about it; which is why I have no more respect for the Tea Party than I do for the OWS crowd.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The POLICE, as emergency responders had the responsibility to tend to the injured man, not the protesters. After the crowd charged the police and threw things at them how were they to know what the crowd was up to?
    The burden is on the police to justify the use of force.

    From what I've read, some of the protesters clearly crossed the line, which undermines the claims of non-violence, but it's clear to me the city and its police force were active agents in this conflict and deserve a big share of culpability.

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