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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

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    And what is the lean in the city of Oakland, the great state of California?

    You LOVE order...just so long as it suits your purposes. Right mr union guy?
    Yeah, no ****, huh?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yup, you continue to confirm it. If fascism ever comes to the USA, I strongly suspect right wing libertarians will be leading the parade.
    Right wingers posing as libertarians. Real libertarians detest militarism.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

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    You are really big on following orders. I think you missed your time in history when such a toadie attitude was looked at as an asset.
    The law is the law. Aren't you a law and order Liberal?

    I know you've heard this before, but we can't say it enough: you're all about the law, until it no longer serves your purpose. Don't you work for the government?
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    "Slang" if you want to insist that is what is being used here is very similar to a rumor.

    It starts as known slang.... but by the time it gets over to these folks, they are REPORTING in the AP that THIS happened...

    That is why wording a statement is very important, and to word something that shows INTENT TO HARM when the injury was a result of an attempt to control Chaos is hardly honest.

    But the protesters haven't really been very honest lately have they?
    Oh, I'm totally with you on words actually meaning things.

    But I notice you failed to answer both of my questions.

    Have you never seen an officer of the law use the phrase "cracking skulls" or some obvious variant?

    Have you never seen an officer of the law go way too far?

    Behave in a grossly disrespecful fashion?

    Revel in the hope of getting to hurt somebody?
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yup, you continue to confirm it. If fascism ever comes to the USA, I strongly suspect right wing libertarians will be leading the parade.
    As usual, when Libbos feel embarressed, or the Libbo talking point no longer work, they start calling everyone a facist.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post

    Have you never seen an officer of the law use the phrase "cracking skulls" or some obvious variant?
    Once. He went to another division that provided him more action. The rest of the shift was glad.... we told him.. to quote the old racists, "We don't like yer kind 'round 'ere"

    Have you never seen an officer of the law go way too far?
    Subjective question. On youtube, yes. In my own work, no.

    Behave in a grossly disrespecful fashion?
    Subjective question. On youtube yes, In my own experience, no.


    Revel in the hope of getting to hurt somebody?
    No. On Reno 911 yes. In my own experience, no.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Once. He went to another division that provided him more action. The rest of the shift was glad.... we told him.. to quote the old racists, "We don't like yer kind 'round 'ere"

    Subjective question. On youtube, yes. In my own work, no.

    Subjective question. On youtube yes, In my own experience, no.


    No. On Reno 911 yes. In my own experience, no.
    I'm really not that much in disagreement with you on this subject. I've some experience with the realities of crowd control, etc. And I've made a number of posts where I came down on the side of LE since this whole thing started.

    But I have also seen some HORRIFIC behavior on the part of LE first hand, with my own eyes and ears.

    I actually have a fairly strong expression of the "sheriff" genetic traits. Its part of my primary nature to "watch over" others. Keep an eye on the kids and old ladies and make sure they're ok. I've met a lot of cops with these traits.

    Many in our modern police forces have strong expressions of the "warrior" genetic traits.They approach the whole "problem" of policing differently by nature.

    And in my opinion, when the "warrior" types strongly outnumber or outrank the "sheriff" types, serious problems arise with the entire array of issues involved in effective policing.

    I say all this to explain why I am so personally offended by what appears to have happened in Oakland. Not just the incident where the vet was injured, but the entire "clearing" operation.

    Civil disodedience is a ritualized revolutionary activity adopted as a means to effect revolutionary level change without the normally commensurate bloodshed and destruction of property.

    The alternative is the dichotomy between capitulatory obedience or bloody revolution.

    And as one who feels compelled to look out for everybody, and seek the "best" solution for ALL parties, the elimination or oppression of the techniques of civil disobedience must be opposed to prevent the dichotomy that existed before it was devised from re-imposing itself onto the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    Right wingers posing as libertarians. Real libertarians detest militarism.
    And real liberals detest the military. More 'fun with stereotypes'!

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    I've been over on FaceBook looking at pics of some of the injured - ghastly. What is really upsetting is most of the injuries are on their backs and the back of legs- they were being pelted with rubber bullets while they were running from the area. The Mayor of Oakland is backpedaling her support of the LEOs actions: Occupy Oakland: Mayor Quan Issues Contrite Statement after Police Crackdown | City Brights: Aimee Allison | an SFGate.com blog

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And what is the lean in the city of Oakland, the great state of California?

    You LOVE order...just so long as it suits your purposes. Right mr union guy?
    Do you even have half an idea what that is supposed to mean?
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