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Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

Swit said:
LaMidRighter said:
You are kinda reading a little too far into it. I don't care what the protesters do to each other, what I don't want them doing is infringing on the rights of others who have to be in that area because of non-protest factors such as living there or working in the area or owning property. It's not okay to subject them to the dangers of human waste, [...]
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OK then I did in fact understand your statement correctly the first time.

How have they endangered non-protesters? Dangers of human waste? I don't even know what that means, [...]
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Don't eat the yellow snow? :shock:

Seriously, it means nothing. There is no proof of it even happening... although I hesitate to generalize, there is sufficient evidence on this particular subject to show that the right simply makes stuff up, or glibly believes stuff that other people make up, or at the very least repeats in an automatous fashion.

Today Rush said that the Obama White House is behind the OWS protests. 'nuff said ;)
 
Caine said:
Karl said:
Caine said:
Yes, because if National News didn't report it..... It didn't happen :roll: Hint/Tip: All sexual assault crimes are not national news.
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In other words, we must take your (or others) word for it. While that may work well in elementary school, some of us have indeed attained an age greater than 12. Mentally, as well as physically. Should I mention IQ points? No, that would be overkill.... :2razz:
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Karl said:
Wake said:
Karl said:
In order to not waste bandwidth, nor waste the time of those capable of critical thought, I don't explain the obvious.
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Gee, what an intriguing response. You being rather partisan, I doubt your ability to use evidence to back up your claims. I suggest you provide evidence for your ridiculous claims, or else be deemed not credible for being biased. One capable of critical thought would never make such ridiculous claims.
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Congratulations on one, large, cohesive, personal attack. Now -- do you have a rational argument to present? [...]
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Pot... meet kettle.....
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Once again, your argument is a clear failure. (Hint/Tip: that is not a personal attack).
 
Thrilla said:
[...] I'm a rabid defender of 2nd amendment rights, but even I don't pretend there are no limits. [...]
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That sound you hear is the Tea Party setting fire to your house. Run! ;)
 
VanceMack said:
So...after several days we have an interview on MSNBC where an Occupy Oakland protester ADMITS that the protesters started the conflict with the police by throwing rocks and bottles at the bolice. So...like the other...this thread I assume is now finished...right?
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Wrong. The police, en masse, all Rambo'd up, initiated the conflict by issuing an ultimatum involving the use of force.

Watch the video again.

Oh, sorry... you didn't provide a link to the video. Here, let me do your job for you :roll: :

 
Karl said:
Wrong. The police, en masse, all Rambo'd up, initiated the conflict by issuing an ultimatum involving the use of force.

Watch the video again.

Oh, sorry... you didn't provide a link to the video. Here, let me do your job for you :roll: :

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LOL.....

They didnt make protesters throw bottles at people.

You dont have the right to throw bottles at the police because they order you to disburse when you are wrong.
 
Karl said:
Wrong. The police, en masse, all Rambo'd up, initiated the conflict by issuing an ultimatum involving the use of force.
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That's exactly correct, the mayor made them do it:


We represent the 645 police officers who work hard every day to protect the citizens of Oakland. We, too, are the 99% fighting for better working conditions, fair treatment and the ability to provide a living for our children and families. We are severely understaffed with many City beats remaining unprotected by police during the day and evening hours.

As your police officers, we are confused.

On Tuesday, October 25th, we were ordered by Mayor Quan to clear out the encampments at Frank Ogawa Plaza and to keep protesters out of the Plaza. We performed the job that the Mayor’s Administration asked us to do, being fully aware that past protests in Oakland have resulted in rioting, violence and destruction of property.

Then, on Wednesday, October 26th, the Mayor allowed protesters back in – to camp out at the very place they were evacuated from the day before.​


An Open Letter to the Citizens of Oakland from the Oakland Police Officers
 
pbrauer said:
That's exactly correct, the mayor made them do it:


We represent the 645 police officers who work hard every day to protect the citizens of Oakland. We, too, are the 99% fighting for better working conditions, fair treatment and the ability to provide a living for our children and families. We are severely understaffed with many City beats remaining unprotected by police during the day and evening hours.

As your police officers, we are confused.

On Tuesday, October 25th, we were ordered by Mayor Quan to clear out the encampments at Frank Ogawa Plaza and to keep protesters out of the Plaza. We performed the job that the Mayor’s Administration asked us to do, being fully aware that past protests in Oakland have resulted in rioting, violence and destruction of property.

Then, on Wednesday, October 26th, the Mayor allowed protesters back in – to camp out at the very place they were evacuated from the day before.​


An Open Letter to the Citizens of Oakland from the Oakland Police Officers
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Looks like the Police are finally speaking out about their Mayor.

You know the recent Chief of Police there resigned due to disagreements with the Mayor.
 
Councilman said:
Wrong! They were breaking the law and they got what was coming.

Oakland is a cesspool full of Liberal idiots.
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If you think the OWS protesters got what was coming to them, what do you think this "cesspool of Liberal idiots" had coming to them:

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Councilman said:
Wrong! They were breaking the law and they got what was coming.

Oakland is a cesspool full of Liberal idiots.
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I guess we should be thankful that you were at least honest enough to reveal what you truly hate about these folks..... . you see the as liberals. Thus, all the precious rights and freedoms you and others on the far right pontificate about mean nothing when they are exercised by your enemies and opponents. This entire OWS and the vitriolic response from the right has made this very very clear.
 
Councilman said:
Wrong! They were breaking the law and they got what was coming.

Oakland is a cesspool full of Liberal idiots.
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I must agree to some extent. When you refuse and order to disperse by the police, you do so with the risk of bodily harm.
 
"Protest beyond the law is not a departure from democracy; it is absolutely essential to it"
Howard Zinn
 
'Occupy Oakland' Calls For General Strike

"Occupy Oakland has called on workers and students to take the day off, while demanding corporations and banks close their doors for the city's first general strike since 1946.

On the group's website, Occupy Oakland states the intent of the strike is to shut down the city for a day.

Numerous labor unions, from carpenters to teachers, have endorsed the action and urged their members to take the day off and join the protest.
"Our budget and our city services have been impacted by what went on as it relates to the economy tanking and what caused the economy to tank," said Dwight McElroy, of the Service Employees International Union.


In a statement on the Occupy Oakland website, organizers warned businesses and agencies that if they take disciplinary action against protesters, they will also face pickets.

From Occupy Oakland: "We are asking that all workers go on strike, call in sick, take a vacation day or simply walk off the job with their co-workers. We are also asking that all students walk out of school and join workers and community members in downtown Oakland. All banks and large corporations must close down for the day or demonstrators will march on them."

Occupy Oakland organizers said around 10 a.m. that the Port of Oakland has been shut down."

Read more: 'Occupy Oakland' Calls For General Strike - Sacramento News Story - KCRA Sacramento
 
TheDemSocialist said:
"Protest beyond the law is not a departure from democracy; it is absolutely essential to it"
Howard Zinn
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What is left out of that is the fact that if people break the laws they must understand there are consequences for doing so. Therefore they should accept the consequences peacefully.
 
Endoscopy said:
What is left out of that is the fact that if people break the laws they must understand there are consequences for doing so. Therefore they should accept the consequences peacefully.
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Why? Why should they?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Why? Why should they?
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Because the beating you'll get if you resist will be worse than the beating you get if you don't resist? The right wing meme seems to be:

1. Obey the police/authorities at all times (note this is not necessarily the same as obeying the law).

2. Don't resist the beating you get if you fail to comply with #1.

3. Don't complain about the more severe beating you get if you fail to comply with #2.

SAN FRANCISCO | Fri Nov 4, 2011 9:25pm EDT

(Reuters) - A former U.S. Army Ranger and Occupy Oakland protester was in intensive care on Friday after a veterans' group said he was beaten by police during clashes with anti-Wall Street demonstrators this week. Kayvan Sabeghi, 32, was arrested and hospitalized about a week after another U.S. military veteran, former Marine Scott Olsen, was badly injured in a confrontation with police that helped spark the latest round of unrest.

The group Iraq Veterans Against the War said Sabeghi was detained during disturbances that erupted late on Wednesday in downtown Oakland and was charged with resisting arrest and remaining present at the place of a riot. [...] "They put him in jail, and he told them he was injured, and they denied him medical treatment for about 18 hours," [his business partner] said.

Army veteran injured [lacerated spleen] in Oakland clashes with police | Reuters
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Catawba said:
If you think the OWS protesters got what was coming to them, what do you think this "cesspool of Liberal idiots" had coming to them:

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Some of our more esteemed leaders did in fact argue just that with the original Tea Party. A point of interest, really, since Americans are expected to enjoy every bit of anti-Anglo fervor they can muster up (within reason, of course), that they forget that many did not appreciate the mob.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Some of our more esteemed leaders did in fact argue just that with the original Tea Party. A point of interest, really, since Americans are expected to enjoy every bit of anti-Anglo fervor they can muster up (within reason, of course), that they forget that many did not appreciate the mob.
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Was the original tea party arrested for crimes much greater than anything the OWS protesters have done?
 
majora$$hole said:
HERE! HERE! dino, all the way up to the president! why is nothing being said at a national level about people being punished for protesting?
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Because its a state issue....?

Or do we not believe in states anymore?
 
Caine said:
Because its a state issue....?

Or do we not believe in states anymore?
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i agree it is a states issue as you say but the prez of uc davis thought it was a police issue and look what that is doing to her now. obama should take lesson from this situation and nip the excessive police actions against protestors nation wide in the butt or else he may be viewed in much the same light as the uc davis prez is.
 
majora$$hole said:
i agree it is a states issue as you say but the prez of uc davis thought it was a police issue and look what that is doing to her now. obama should take lesson from this situation and nip the excessive police actions against protestors nation wide in the butt or else he may be viewed in much the same light as the uc davis prez is.
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And he has what authority over deciding what local police do exactly?

This is the exact kind of thing I am talking about....

We do NOT have a dictator who controls all facets of life in the U.S. from his seat of power..........Yet people put too much blame or expectation on the office of the President.
 
Caine said:
And he has what authority over deciding what local police do exactly?

This is the exact kind of thing I am talking about....

We do NOT have a dictator who controls all facets of life in the U.S. from his seat of power..........Yet people put too much blame or expectation on the office of the President.
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i agree he is not a dictator it is congress that is supposed to "get things done" the president can only suggest things to congress and veto things and start wars and that's all he does other than pr which is what i'm talking about. it's a "role model" or PR kind of thing caine. and that dictator who controls all facets of life you are talking about is what the police departments all over the country are turning into imo.
 
majora$$hole said:
i agree it is a states issue as you say but the prez of uc davis thought it was a police issue and look what that is doing to her now. obama should take lesson from this situation and nip the excessive police actions against protestors nation wide in the butt or else he may be viewed in much the same light as the uc davis prez is.
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President Obama isn't going to put his foot in his mouth and say anything other than "protesting is as American as Apple Pie...." which he's never said, by the way. What excessive police actions? Sayz you. The only people who view UC-Davis' president in an unfavorable light are those way too close to the situation to be objective.
 
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