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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    How does posting that help you at all? It just shows that the police started the riot if anything.

    And in any case, I saw nothing that would show any justification of that use of force.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    I agree, but thats not what the issue here is and you know it.
    Yes, most of us do. We know that one can't tell jack **** from that video. And you know it.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes, most of us do. We know that one can't tell jack **** from that video. And you know it.
    Language.

    If the video isn't suitable to your tastes, do a search for occupy oakland. You will find plenty of information.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    Language.

    If the video isn't suitable to your tastes, do a search for occupy oakland. You will find plenty of information.
    Yep. Pictures of police officers with paint all over their helmets as they get hit with paint cans...orders to disperse...dispersed then decided to re-occupy anyway...given a 5-minute warning to move off...then, the coppers do what we pay them to do. Enforce the law. Grow up. Or get on a bus a join them. I hear ACORN's paying $10/hour.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    You have about 200 protestors. You have about 20 cops. The city has asked the police department to evacuate the area because of safety and sanitation concerns (trash cans filled with fire, anyone?). The police told the protesters to leave that specific area. They told them again. And again. Then the protesters decided to move in closer to the police. Police throw tear gas. Peg a few idiots with beanbags. End up arresting some idiots. Nobody dies. Area is still dirty, occupied, and trash cans are still roasting.

    Sounds to me like they didn't go far enough. The right to assemble does not trump all existing laws. If you are asked to move (not disband and go home, but move) there is nothing illegal or inappropriate about that demand....especially if your presence threatens the condition of the property on which you're standing, and more particularly when your continued encampment costs the people working 9-5 every day even more of their tax dollars (which you are obviously not paying if you're camped out for 6 weeks on a corner).
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    I think I know conservative's least favorite amendment. lol.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Yes, but they also must obey the laws. If a park closes at a certain time, you have to leave or you are breaking the law. If the property owners say they no longer want you at their house, you have to leave. You can't just assemble wherever you want, however long you want and doing whatever you want.
    Actually, you very much can assemble where and when you want. The constitutional right to assemble and protest trumps any law. The constitution is the supreme law of the land. All others are subordinate to it. Now, in order for the first amendment to apply, you'd have to show that your protest had to happen there, but only if there's a conflict with something else, like personal property rights. If a more suitable location is available, you can be forced to move there. In the case of a public park or other location that is open for public use... there's certainly no location that is vastly more suited to host a protest, and something MUST be made available. To prevent the protest by disallowing it from having a location is infringing on that first amendment guarantee.

    Would the middle of the street be better? Of course not, there are lots of safety issues. A public park is the most suitable forum for this demonstration to take place. A law that closes the park could not interfere with the right to assemble and protest. Under the constitution, the protesters have the right to be there, regardless of any laws that would ordinarily kick people out.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Couldn't have happened to a more deserving group.... Well, maybe the NYC or Boston groups would be more deserving, but the cops in those cities don't have the balls to do what these cops did.... their job.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Actually, you very much can assemble where and when you want. The constitutional right to assemble and protest trumps any law. The constitution is the supreme law of the land. All others are subordinate to it. Now, in order for the first amendment to apply, you'd have to show that your protest had to happen there, but only if there's a conflict with something else, like personal property rights. If a more suitable location is available, you can be forced to move there. In the case of a public park or other location that is open for public use... there's certainly no location that is vastly more suited to host a protest, and something MUST be made available. To prevent the protest by disallowing it from having a location is infringing on that first amendment guarantee.

    Would the middle of the street be better? Of course not, there are lots of safety issues. A public park is the most suitable forum for this demonstration to take place. A law that closes the park could not interfere with the right to assemble and protest. Under the constitution, the protesters have the right to be there, regardless of any laws that would ordinarily kick people out.
    The SCOTUS disagrees with you.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The SCOTUS disagrees with you.
    Hague v. C.I.O. (1939)
    The high court ruled that peaceful demonstrators may not be prosecuted for "disorderly conduct." This case also secured streets and sidewalks as public forums.

    Thornhill v. Alabama (1940)
    The Supreme Court held that orderly union picketing that informs the public of the issues is protected by the constitutional freedom of speech and of the press and the right of peaceable assembly and cannot be prosecuted under state loitering and picketing laws.

    Cox v. New Hampshire (1941)
    A unanimous Supreme Court upheld a local (Manchester) ordinance that required every parade or procession on a public street to obtain a license for a fee. Jehovah's Witnesses had brought the suit alleging that the city of Manchester had denied their religious freedom. The court was clear that ordinance had to be reasonable and designed for the safe and orderly use of the streets.

    Edwards v. South Carolina (1963)
    In an 8-to-1 decision the high court overturned the breach of the peace convictions of 180 black students who had peacefully marched to the state capitol to protest discrimination. The police stopped the demonstration and arrested the students because they were afraid that the 200-300 who gathered to watch the demonstration might cause a riot. The court held the state law unconstitutionally overbroad because it penalized the exercise of free speech, peaceable assembly, and the right of petition for a redress of grievances. A disorderly crowd, or the fear of one, cannot be used to stop a peaceful demonstration or cancel the right of peaceable assembly.

    Cox v. Louisiana (1965)
    Rev. B. Elton Cox was arrested and convicted for breach of the peace in Baton Rouge, La., for leading a demonstation of 2,000 black college students from the state capitol to the courthouse to protest the jailing of 23 other students for attempting to integrate white lunch counters. The high court overturned his conviction, 7-to-2, and held the state's breach of the peace law overly broad.
    Amalgamated Food Employee's Union v. Logan Valley Plaza (1968)
    Concerning the legality of peaceful picketing on privately owned grounds.

    Seems the SCOTUS would agree... Only once did they disagree.

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    First Amendment Court Cases Right to Peaceably Assemble
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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