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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do you view your relationship with your wife as a matter of law and order? In your scenario is your wife a raving lunatic screaming in your face? Did somehow your marriage license grant you the right to final authority in matters of law and is she openly defying you? Then yes...if you are acting under your legal mandate and as a course of her actions you are forced to maintain control and she dies...yes...you are legally cleared.

    Hmmmm...maybe NOT comparable scenarios after all huh?
    So you are saying, if we use non-lethal force and someone "accidentally" dies, this is okay...
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    -Benjamin Franklin,
    The most misused quote of all time...but by all means...go to a theater and scream FIRE and then tell the responding officers...its OK...Im just exercising my liberty and rights.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The most misused quote of all time...but by all means...go to a theater and scream FIRE and then tell the responding officers...its OK...Im just exercising my liberty and rights.
    A pathetic argument who I know thinks the rest of the constitution is the highest law in the land, with the exception of #7.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Umm... Okay?

    Your coming in to defend a completely off topic and irrelevant strawman created as a dodgy reply to a direct question on where the intent was to "bash in people's skulls" asked to a yet DIFFERENT poster than the one who created the strawman in the first place...


    You folks really don't like to debate much do you?
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
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    There is no excuse for this kind of police brutality, at all. If a protestor did this to a police officer, they would be thrown in jail and likely receive a stiff sentence. Yet the system is allowed to perpetuate violence against citizens.

    I'm all in favor of peaceful protest, but eventually you have to fight back when you are faced with systemic violence. There is no excuse for the police cracking a person's head open in order to disband a crowd.

    Shame, shame, shame on the police, and the Oakland city hall for disbanding a lawful, peaceful assembly of the people. As if it's UP to them as to whether or not the First Amendment gets honored.
    There is if a cop feels like his personal safety is threatened.

    I cant say this enough: If they would have simply complied with police orders, no one would have gotten hurt. It ain't rocket science.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    So you are saying, if we use non-lethal force and someone "accidentally" dies, this is okay...
    Im saying your scenario is not at applicable (oh...wait...you KNOW what I am saying) and that sometimes in the course of administering law, bad things happen to stupid people. Would you like me to draw it out with stick figures? I think there is a program for that.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Umm... Okay?

    Your coming in to defend a completely off topic and irrelevant strawman created as a dodgy reply to a direct question on where the intent was to "bash in people's skulls" asked to a yet DIFFERENT poster than the one who created the strawman in the first place...


    You folks really don't like to debate much do you?
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im saying your scenario is not at applicable (oh...wait...you KNOW what I am saying) and that sometimes in the course of administering law, bad things happen to stupid people. Would you like me to draw it out with stick figures? I think there is a program for that.
    So you are saying, if we use non-lethal force and someone "accidentally" dies, this is okay...

    **Hint: This is AKA lethal force**
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Now this right here is a decent video.........with a major flaw that I will get into in a moment.

    It clears up alot of the false statements Ive heard, but also clears up what I thought to be not true but actually isn't.

    A. He was not shot in the head by anything, You can clearly see at :20 to :24 that the subject falls, look closely for the guy in the crowd wearing grey. However, You will notice right before he falls, the riot control agents were deployed well off to the side and not directly on him at that point. Could he have been hit by something that occurred as a result of that? Sure. By saying he was shot in the head implies INTENT to shoot him IN THE HEAD.
    The riot police are pretty darn close to him right behind the barcade.
    And you cant even see the guy at all throughout the video until the crowd disperses... You cant see him at all.. I dont know what your talking about at the :20 and :24 mark you cant even see him at all.

    B. Some idiot officer actually DID drop a percussion grenade pretty much right on top of the guy. Now, one could state they were doing this to get the crowd back and away so they could go in and assist him... but they didn't bother to do anything for him before the crowd came back after clearing away to help, so that defense goes out the window.
    What happens when one idiot protester does something stupid? The media swarms to it, calls the all of the protesters crazy anarchists who like to break ****, then the riot police come in beat up everyone even the peaceful ones and arrests. What happens when a dumb cop does something like this? "He was doing his job"


    C. Contrary to what I was told.... None of those people who began running up to the injured guy looked like Medics to me..... HMM?
    Well usually at protests there really arent actual professionally trained "medics". They usually are just civilians who know a tad bit.

    D. None of the Officers bothered to go help the guy, the protesters had cleared out plenty of space for them to go in and help prior to rushing back when they (protesters) noticed him hurt...... That absolutely disgusts me about the Oakland PD.
    Same here.


    The part of the video that bothers me.... but it should obviously be taken with a grain of salt at this point knowing the way protesters operate... the video goes from the Ordering them to disburse part straight to riot control already having been deployed..... It doesn't bother to what happened between those points... which is crucial to determine the alleged "Peacefulness" of these protesters.

    If you can find any proof that they were being violent i will take it... But it seems like you dont have any of it.


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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    How many of the OWS sympathizers were all for whats-his-butt's 1st Amendment rights, when he wasnted to burn the Koran?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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