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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post

    There is no excuse for the police cracking a person's head open in order to disband a crowd.
    The wording of the emphasis added section of this statement by you implies INTENT to crack his head open as a method of disbanding the crowd. Can you prove this?


    Shame, shame, shame on the police, and the Oakland city hall for disbanding a lawful, peaceful assembly of the people. As if it's UP to them as to whether or not the First Amendment gets honored.
    You can keep repeating peaceful all you want.... doesn't make it so.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The wording of the emphasis added section of this statement by you implies INTENT to crack his head open as a method of disbanding the crowd. Can you prove this?


    You can keep repeating peaceful all you want.... doesn't make it so.
    So, if I I'm chasing my wife with a "non-lethal" knife, slip and fall, accidentally slit her throat, am I responsible for murder?
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    The burden of proof is on the state.
    And so are they prohibiting them from due process?
    If yes - you have a point, and it's unrelated to protests
    If no - you have no point.

    Cops hear the lament of the "I didn't do noth'n!" all day long. I watched cops, I know these things :P

    What specific laws were being broken? if it's misdemeanor trespassing or demonstrating without a permit (in the case of Atlanta, the permit was revoked), you think that warrants tear gas and rubber bullets? Throwing firecrackers and buckets could be seen as assault. So what is throwing a flash grenade at a wounded man? Your low opinion of the protesters does not justify state violence.
    So now a trespasser is the same as a large protest? A single trespasser can clog up public buliding entryways, traffic, destroy public areas, trash up the entire place, etc., etc.? That isn't fooling anyone.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post

    This is systemic violence and the fact that they are bashing in people's skulls for not dispersing on their command is a clear violation of the First Amendment.
    Your comment here again implies INTENT to "bash in people's skulls" as a direct result of them failing to disperse upon command.

    Can you prove to me there is intent?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    So, if I I'm chasing my wife with a "non-lethal" knife, slip and fall, accidentally slit her throat, am I responsible for murder?
    WTF is a non-lethal knife again? Im confused......

    If you are going to make an off topic hypothetical that doesn't even INDIRECTLY answer the question, at least make it one that doesnt sound like the idea came from this guy.....
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    WTF is a non-lethal knife again? Im confused......

    If you are going to make an off topic hypothetical that doesn't even INDIRECTLY answer the question, at least make it one that doesnt sound like the idea came from this guy.....
    What if I'm chasing my wife with a tear gas gun and accidentally fire it and she gets killed. Oh, see the logic jump there?
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    WTF is a non-lethal knife again? Im confused......

    If you are going to make an off topic hypothetical that doesn't even INDIRECTLY answer the question, at least make it one that doesnt sound like the idea came from this guy.....
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    What if I'm chasing my wife with a tear gas gun and accidentally fire it and she gets killed. Oh, see the logic jump there?
    You still aren't answering the question. you are creating skrawmen and then lighting them on fire and cackling with insane glee.


    Why do you keep avoiding the original question... even though it was not asked of you...
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    What if I'm chasing my wife with a tear gas gun and accidentally fire it and she gets killed. Oh, see the logic jump there?
    Do you view your relationship with your wife as a matter of law and order? In your scenario is your wife a raving lunatic screaming in your face? Did somehow your marriage license grant you the right to final authority in matters of law and is she openly defying you? Then yes...if you are acting under your legal mandate and as a course of her actions you are forced to maintain control and she dies...yes...you are legally cleared.

    Hmmmm...maybe NOT comparable scenarios after all huh?

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