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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

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    I do recall The Fish Cheer. I suppose that would count.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If you had a complete video of the events and not just the snipped version edited for cause you might have an answer to that. You might also inquire why the police were directed to disperse the crowds from the streets and parks. All of that is irrelevant when you are the 'peaceful protester' in question. When a police officer says you must stop...three guesses what you MUST do...(Id just say one guess because you already know the answer, but I'll give you the first two so you can rage on about your legal rights).

    Refuse to comply with a police officer on a traffic stop even if you believe you are totally in the right and guess what happens.
    Perhaps a complete video will show that the officers faced a direct threat. I can't discount that. I demand that the police refrain from force -- especially non-lethal weaponry -- if at all possible, and justify that force when its used. No erring on the side of cracking heads.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Threads like this give me reason to smile in my own firm belief that many on the right who scream the loudest about liberty and freedom are more than happy to use any excuse to put the clamps of authority and repression on those on the left who they hate and despise. And they bristle when we accuse the authoritarian right wing of having fascist tendencies.
    It also confirms that the law and order Libbos are all about law and order, until it no longer serves their purpose.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    So you are A-OK with the police flash grenading medics trying to remove an injured man? To me, this proves the police showed wanton disregard for public safety.

    The police stopping media outlets from filming shows the police knew the facts were not going to support their contention that they were attacked first and took reasonable action. It also indicates that the police knew this was likely going to result in serious injuries or death and proceeded anyway.
    If the OWS'ers had left, when they were told to leave, it wouldn't have happened.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

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    It also confirms that the law and order Libbos are all about law and order, until it no longer serves their purpose.
    That makes no sense on any level in this discussion.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If the OWS'ers had left, when they were told to leave, it wouldn't have happened.
    If the city had simply respected their right to peacefully gather, there would have been no conflict.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Perhaps a complete video will show that the officers faced a direct threat. I can't discount that. I demand that the police refrain from force -- especially non-lethal weaponry -- if at all possible, and justify that force when its used. No erring on the side of cracking heads.
    There you go. "I demand". thats the kind of rhetoric that just makes these arguments silly. I demand. Its my right. We have a right. Im sorry...you live in a society based on law and order. the police did not arbitraily decide to go down there and start a rucus. You demand they do their job. They did. Thank God they do.

    That video clip focused a lot on the second bang...but they focused on what happened AFTER the guy was already down. It wasnt the flash bang that hit him. I still believe (but of course we dont KNOW) that he was hit in the head by launched tear gas cannister. Dood was down for the count when the people came back to the police lines. They should have kept going and then the police could have dealt with the downed citizen. AFTER they left the area. If they had LEFT the area when they were told, none of the dispersants would have been used. Like I said earlier...its always fun and games...til someone gets hurt.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There you go. "I demand". thats the kind of rhetoric that just makes these arguments silly. I demand. Its my right. We have a right. Im sorry...you live in a society based on law and order. the police did not arbitraily decide to go down there and start a rucus. You demand they do their job. They did. Thank God they do.

    That video clip focused a lot on the second bang...but they focused on what happened AFTER the guy was already down. It wasnt the flash bang that hit him. I still believe (but of course we dont KNOW) that he was hit in the head by launched tear gas cannister. Dood was down for the count when the people came back to the police lines. They should have kept going and then the police could have dealt with the downed citizen. AFTER they left the area. If they had LEFT the area when they were told, none of the dispersants would have been used. Like I said earlier...its always fun and games...til someone gets hurt.
    Of course I demand it. It's a constitutional imperative. Again, justify the force. The police serve us, not the other way around.

    You say "thank God they did." But what did they prevent? What harm was the city spared?
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Threads like this give me reason to smile in my own firm belief that many on the right who scream the loudest about liberty and freedom are more than happy to use any excuse to put the clamps of authority and repression on those on the left who they hate and despise. And they bristle when we accuse the authoritarian right wing of having fascist tendencies.
    Just like it makes us conservative types laugh when you suddenly pretend to give a **** about vets or police officers. I dont know of too many people conservative or otherwise that have said people dont have a right to protest. That right to protest doesnt mean whatever wherever and however you want. Thats a basic reality that unfortunately too many people are too stupid to understand.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Of course I demand it. It's a constitutional imperative. Again, justify the force. The police serve us, not the other way around.
    I hope you feel all empowered and stuff now.

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