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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The OPD needs to answer some questions.

    Did any law enforcement agency involved in the police action use rubber bullets? If they did why?
    Do the police have any evidence for their claims that the protesters were throwing M-80 fireworks at the police officers?
    Given the serious head injuries to Scott Olsen, what sort of measures were OPD taking to insure the projectiles they fired were not shot directly into the crowd?
    Why are you lying to us about the flashbangs? This video clearly shows this and police brutality Occupy Oakland - Flashbangs USED on protesters OPD LIES - YouTube
    What specific and actual evidence does OPD have to back up its claims that the Occupy Oakland encampments were such a threat to health and safety and law and order that a dawn raid to clear the protest was necessary?
    Excellent video shows clear use of flashbang by OPD, contrary to official statements. Just watch it, it's incontrovertible.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Jon Stewart derides Occupy Oakland raids (VIDEO)

    On Wednesday’s edition of The Daily Show, Jon Stewart lampooned Oakland’s response to the Occupy protesters in a segment called “Parks and Demonstration.”

    After showing a clip from one of the traumatic videos of Oakland police firing tear gas and percussion grenades into crowds of people, Stewart points out the irony of the situation: “Police were worried about public safety, so they did this? It seems a bit heavy-handed.”

    And since no segment on Oakland would be complete without A’s and Raiders jokes, Stewart proceeded to poke fun at the A’s playoff drought and the poke fun at the dressed up members of the “Black Hole.”

    Watch the video here:Jon Stewart derides Occupy Oakland raids (VIDEO) | SFGate Blog | an SFGate.com blog
    Jon Stewart really breaks it down and makes very good points.


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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In other countries, they had larger protests without all the police beatings. Our police, particularly at assemble and protest events, MUST be controlled to proper levels to ensure the rights of others are not violated by the thuggery of State.
    From the videos I've seen of Occupy Oakland, the police response was uncalled for -- I'd like to see criminal charges pursued against the officer who thew the canister at the group around the injured protester, accountability goes all ways.

    But it's worth noting that many cities have made it a point to accommodate the protesters. Oakland, Atlanta (with the sudden revocation of their permit) and some of the more brutal takedowns in New York seem to be outliers.

    I do wonder, though, if the confrontational police response is necessary at all. In Oakland especially, the real violence seems to have been perpetuated by the city and not the protesters.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    So the OPD came in because of "sanitation issues"? To clean up the unhealthy area of the park?

    Who made the bigger mess?



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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    After the first heavy-handed police crackdown on demonstrators in Oakland, Mayor Jean Quan wrote a statement on her Facebook page praising police for closing down the Occupy Oakland protest encampment. Now, facing anger from across the world, Quan is backing down on her aggressive language and even says that she supports the goals of the movement. She is committing to minimize police presence in the plaza and “build a community effort to improve communications and dialogue with the demonstrators.”
    From Mayor Quan's statement:
    We support the goals of the Occupy Wall Street movement: we have high levels of unemployment and we have high levels of foreclosure that makes Oakland part of the 99% too. We are a progressive city and tolerant of many opinions. We may not always agree, but we all have a right to be heard.

    I want to thank everyone for the peaceful demonstration at Frank Ogawa Park tonight, and thank the city employees who worked hard to clean up the plaza so that all activities can continue including Occupy Wall Street. We have decided to have a minimal police presence at the plaza for the short term and build a community effort to improve communications and dialogue with the demonstrators.
    About the police, she adds (my emphasis):
    99% of our officers stayed professional during difficult and dangerous circumstances as did some of the demonstrators who dissuaded other protestors from vandalizing downtown and for helping to keep the demonstrations peaceful. For the most part, demonstrations over the past two weeks have been peaceful.
    US Politics | AMERICAblog News: Oakland mayor backs down; will minimize Oakland police presence at OWS protest


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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The OPD needs to answer some questions.

    Did any law enforcement agency involved in the police action use rubber bullets? If they did why?
    Do the police have any evidence for their claims that the protesters were throwing M-80 fireworks at the police officers?
    Given the serious head injuries to Scott Olsen, what sort of measures were OPD taking to insure the projectiles they fired were not shot directly into the crowd?
    Why are you lying to us about the flashbangs? This video clearly shows this and police brutality Occupy Oakland - Flashbangs USED on protesters OPD LIES - YouTube
    What specific and actual evidence does OPD have to back up its claims that the Occupy Oakland encampments were such a threat to health and safety and law and order that a dawn raid to clear the protest was necessary?
    Now this right here is a decent video.........with a major flaw that I will get into in a moment.

    It clears up alot of the false statements Ive heard, but also clears up what I thought to be not true but actually isn't.

    A. He was not shot in the head by anything, You can clearly see at :20 to :24 that the subject falls, look closely for the guy in the crowd wearing grey. However, You will notice right before he falls, the riot control agents were deployed well off to the side and not directly on him at that point. Could he have been hit by something that occurred as a result of that? Sure. By saying he was shot in the head implies INTENT to shoot him IN THE HEAD.

    B. Some idiot officer actually DID drop a percussion grenade pretty much right on top of the guy. Now, one could state they were doing this to get the crowd back and away so they could go in and assist him... but they didn't bother to do anything for him before the crowd came back after clearing away to help, so that defense goes out the window.

    C. Contrary to what I was told.... None of those people who began running up to the injured guy looked like Medics to me..... HMM?

    D. None of the Officers bothered to go help the guy, the protesters had cleared out plenty of space for them to go in and help prior to rushing back when they (protesters) noticed him hurt...... That absolutely disgusts me about the Oakland PD.


    The part of the video that bothers me.... but it should obviously be taken with a grain of salt at this point knowing the way protesters operate... the video goes from the Ordering them to disburse part straight to riot control already having been deployed..... It doesn't bother to what happened between those points... which is crucial to determine the alleged "Peacefulness" of these protesters.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Now this right here is a decent video.........with a major flaw that I will get into in a moment.

    It clears up alot of the false statements Ive heard, but also clears up what I thought to be not true but actually isn't.

    A. He was not shot in the head by anything, You can clearly see at :20 to :24 that the subject falls, look closely for the guy in the crowd wearing grey. However, You will notice right before he falls, the riot control agents were deployed well off to the side and not directly on him at that point. Could he have been hit by something that occurred as a result of that? Sure. By saying he was shot in the head implies INTENT to shoot him IN THE HEAD.

    B. Some idiot officer actually DID drop a percussion grenade pretty much right on top of the guy. Now, one could state they were doing this to get the crowd back and away so they could go in and assist him... but they didn't bother to do anything for him before the crowd came back after clearing away to help, so that defense goes out the window.

    C. Contrary to what I was told.... None of those people who began running up to the injured guy looked like Medics to me..... HMM?

    D. None of the Officers bothered to go help the guy, the protesters had cleared out plenty of space for them to go in and help prior to rushing back when they (protesters) noticed him hurt...... That absolutely disgusts me about the Oakland PD.


    The part of the video that bothers me.... but it should obviously be taken with a grain of salt at this point knowing the way protesters operate... the video goes from the Ordering them to disburse part straight to riot control already having been deployed..... It doesn't bother to what happened between those points... which is crucial to determine the alleged "Peacefulness" of these protesters.
    My wife noticed the guy go down too.

    Two things:

    He fell exactly on time with a report of some kind.

    And the teargas was coming from "away" from the camera rather than from the "right" where the line was that the flashbang came from.

    It definitely looks like he was struck by something that came from "away".
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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Via social networks:

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    There is no excuse for this kind of police brutality, at all. If a protestor did this to a police officer, they would be thrown in jail and likely receive a stiff sentence. Yet the system is allowed to perpetuate violence against citizens.

    I'm all in favor of peaceful protest, but eventually you have to fight back when you are faced with systemic violence. There is no excuse for the police cracking a person's head open in order to disband a crowd.

    Shame, shame, shame on the police, and the Oakland city hall for disbanding a lawful, peaceful assembly of the people. As if it's UP to them as to whether or not the First Amendment gets honored.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Just goes to prove the old adage...its always fun and games, til someone gets hurt.

    Regardless of what you think, you dont have the 'right' to do whatever you want, wherever you want, and however you want and you damn sure arent the arbiter of law. Protest...fine...have a ball. When the police say...OK...this has to stop, then the true 'peaceful' protester will say, you bet, officer...we'll stop...regroup, figure it out, and come back and press on. Instead we get paint cans, bottles, firecrackers and a whole steady stream of **** YOU MOTHER****ERS!!! and **** YOU PIGS!!! from people who apprently arent smart enough to realize that the police...the ones they say are part of that 99% that they represent...are just enacting law as directed. As usual...instead of being upset with government you are upset with the police. Instead of being upset with themselves for being stupid, they are upset with the police.

    You dont have the right to do whatever you want to do because you THINK you do.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland Attacked By Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, and Flash Grenades

    Does this old propoganda technique really still work?

    Protestors, who have admittedly no real agenda, just "occupy" public places, and in some cases when they are in areas they cannot be "occupying", and the police tell them, tell them again, warn them, form up a riot line....

    And then protestors provoke them further.....

    And some random person up in their face ends up hurt from what looks to be a very mild stand-off, it's POLICE BRUTALITY 99% OWC **** YEA!! Please.

    It's an attempt to manufacture sympathy support. We have no agenda, so we'll **** with the police and break the law, and when they don't take it, we'll point and say "See, there is your problem, support us!!!
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