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    Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    Breitbart.tv » Former Soviet Citizen Confronts Socialists At #OccupyWallStreet

    "I'm speaking from personal experience....you have no idea what you're talking about."


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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    Well, someone who'd lived in the Soviet Union would hardly know much about protests, would he? Sorry if I'm being dim, but what point are you making here? Are the protesters, and was the Soviet Union, socialist? What exactly do you see them as having in common?
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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    She's saying "be careful what you wish for".

    Most people that want socialism don't have a damned clue what it is. They're just bitter and pissed, and their getting fires stoked by a bunch of anarchist soapbox loons.

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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Breitbart.tv » Former Soviet Citizen Confronts Socialists At #OccupyWallStreet

    "I'm speaking from personal experience....you have no idea what you're talking about."
    Thanks for this link.
    I agree, as someone who has seen the effects of socialism and communism, those peoples are just plain idiots who believe in a utopia where everybody will be "equal", "free", "happy". Just bull****
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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    breitbart. thanks.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    Just because the Russians failed abysmally to implement a socialist system hardly means that everyone else would do the same. The USSR took a fascist military dictatorship and tried to dress it up like socialism. In 1918, they went directly from centuries of aristocracy and monarchy to an attempt at democracy that was actually controlled by military interests. They had no notion of securing freedoms and a supreme law that no one, not even the nation's leaders, could break. They didn't have a tradition of freedom and liberty to base their new system on. They had a tradition of tyranny and oppression, and that's what their new idea was modeled after.

    Conversely, in the United States, we already presume that a supreme law, protected freedoms, and open elections are fundamental. A socialist system in this country would look nothing like the Soviet one. It would be rooted in the principals of the American republic.

    To suggest that every socialist system would look like the USSR would be like suggesting that every democratic system would look like South Korea or India. Here's a hint, they don't have a lot of the civil rights we have. They'll railroad an accused suspect, torture a confession out of them, and seldom give someone a truly fair trial. They also limit freedoms of speech and the press.

    I would say that it is this woman who does not know what she is talking about, or rather that is overextending her experiences and does not realize that a military dictatorship is a terrible system no matter how you dress it up. Whether it calls itself socialism like the USSR or China, or calls itself democratic like Congo, it's still a fascist, military regime. American socialists do not call for a military takeover of the country. A socialist United States would look nothing like the USSR. To think otherwise is to completely fail to understand why the USSR operated the way it did.
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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Thanks for this link.
    I agree, as someone who has seen the effects of socialism and communism, those peoples are just plain idiots who believe in a utopia where everybody will be "equal", "free", "happy". Just bull****
    The last example of socialism, surely, was in 1918/19, under War conditions? There can't be many people who have seen it and can still manage to write.
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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    She's saying "be careful what you wish for".

    Most people that want socialism don't have a damned clue what it is. They're just bitter and pissed, and their getting fires stoked by a bunch of anarchist soapbox loons.
    Well, they have a book knowledge of what it's supposed to be, theoretically. They only know what they read, and depending on what is read and who wrote it, as well as their own views and life filter they apply to what was read. The issue is never theoretical, the issue is always how theory is applied, and the application is never a good story. The variable that makes it a bad thing is "human nature". We are a greedy, power hungry and selfish race - not many can resist the money, fame, power and ego of it all as history suggests. Some of us are simply loons who get into powerful positions, some are certifiable murderers, thieves, killers, mass-murderers, etc... it's where the saying "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely".
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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Well, they have a book knowledge of what it's supposed to be, theoretically. They only know what they read, and depending on what is read and who wrote it, as well as their own views and life filter they apply to what was read. The issue is never theoretical, the issue is always how theory is applied, and the application is never a good story. The variable that makes it a bad thing is "human nature". We are a greedy, power hungry and selfish race - not many can resist the money, fame, power and ego of it all as history suggests. Some of us are simply loons who get into powerful positions, some are certifiable murderers, thieves, killers, mass-murderers, etc... it's where the saying "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely".
    I don't imagine that many Americans have lived in a socialist community. I have, and it wasn't a bit like that: it was very unselfish and decent, as I recall.

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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Just because the Russians failed abysmally to implement a socialist system hardly means that everyone else would do the same. The USSR took a fascist military dictatorship and tried to dress it up like socialism. In 1918, they went directly from centuries of aristocracy and monarchy to an attempt at democracy that was actually controlled by military interests. They had no notion of securing freedoms and a supreme law that no one, not even the nation's leaders, could break. They didn't have a tradition of freedom and liberty to base their new system on. They had a tradition of tyranny and oppression, and that's what their new idea was modeled after.

    Conversely, in the United States, we already presume that a supreme law, protected freedoms, and open elections are fundamental. A socialist system in this country would look nothing like the Soviet one. It would be rooted in the principals of the American republic.

    To suggest that every socialist system would look like the USSR would be like suggesting that every democratic system would look like South Korea or India. Here's a hint, they don't have a lot of the civil rights we have. They'll railroad an accused suspect, torture a confession out of them, and seldom give someone a truly fair trial. They also limit freedoms of speech and the press.

    I would say that it is this woman who does not know what she is talking about, or rather that is overextending her experiences and does not realize that a military dictatorship is a terrible system no matter how you dress it up. Whether it calls itself socialism like the USSR or China, or calls itself democratic like Congo, it's still a fascist, military regime. American socialists do not call for a military takeover of the country. A socialist United States would look nothing like the USSR. To think otherwise is to completely fail to understand why the USSR operated the way it did.
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