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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If you folks in Canada want more socialism, then that's great, go for it. Most folks in the States don't want that and we are rejecting it.
    The United States was founded in defiance and rebellion against a horrendous tyrant. Canada was founded in cowering and groveling before the same tyrant. Once in a while, we get an example, such as this one, that shows what difference this has made.
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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The United States was founded in defiance and rebellion against a horrendous tyrant. Canada was founded in cowering and groveling before the same tyrant. Once in a while, we get an example, such as this one, that shows what difference this has made.
    I know.

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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I know.

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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    1) They aren't paying taxes because businesses aren't paying them high enough wages so they are able to pay taxes. If we raised the wages of these workers, they wouldn't have to be on the government teat.

    2) They don't hate capitalism. And they aren't even socialist. What they are is jobless. And they can't get jobs worth their education. Why? Because corporations don't want to pay for that.
    If 'WE' raised their wages... We. YOU. Go ahead...by all means...start a business and pay them your hearts content. OH...wait...you mean THEY. THEY should pay them more...right? Always THEY. ALWAYS someone elses responsibility to do what you think should be done.

    No doubt there should be a change in industry and jobs. It requires industry AND labor to be a bit smarter. That doesnt excuse the students that go out and spend hundreds of thousands on college degrees without following marketing trends and pursuing degrees in viable fields. We opnl;y need so many political scientists...so many liberal arts degrees...so many chefs...etc. Regardless...you have to be a complete idiot to go to college, take out loans to pay the SCHOOLS, then blame THE BANKS.

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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    "We the people" is not "I the person."

    The gist I get from your Constitution is that working together will result in the greater good of society. The gist that I get from many here at DP is every man should be out for themselves. To me, it's not a reflection on the principles started by your forefathers.
    You are right. Working together will result in a great country. It's weird how the Founders put that in there and yet didn't implement socialist programs to "take care" of everyone. Hmm. Why didn't they?


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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    You are right. Working together will result in a great country. It's weird how the Founders put that in there and yet didn't implement socialist programs to "take care" of everyone. Hmm. Why didn't they?
    Because they weren't needed in the same way back then that they are now, they weren't able to be provided the same way they are now, and it was fiscally difficult back then.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Because they weren't needed in the same way back then that they are now, they weren't able to be provided the same way they are now, and it was fiscally difficult back then.
    There weren't any poor people? No disabled people? Orphans? Elderly?

    No rich people?


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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    And at the community level is the largest level it can exist at.
    How do you know? Capitalist armies have always stopped us finding out, haven't they?
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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah - actually - I imagine having come from the Soviet Union he'd know a lot about that kind of thing in his life.
    Yes, right - I lived in Rhondda, Cymru: decent, concerned councillors not feathering their own nests, internationalism and care for others. Hugely preferable to today's squalid 'competition' between the very rich and the rest of us - and, of course, to the USSR.
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    Re: Former Soviet Union citizen confronts Socialists at an Occupy protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    A socialist community? I'm sure it was great. Try a socialist run country... there's a difference.
    Yes, the difference between existence and non-existence. The capitalists do not allow socialist countries - it is a socialist world or nothing.

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