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Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

Exactly what I pointed out to him lol.

Sorry about that. I hadn't seen his post before or yours. I'm kinda all over the place in this thread. Given the topic of the thread though, in retrospect, I might should have referred to hypocrisy as being something other than "double edged". :D
 
He's wearing clothes.

Or am I the only one who realized he was clad with woven threads?
Clothing would explain the lack of wrinkles, but that tushie was also extremely toned which is not normal for 60 yo tushes. I admit I viewed the pics only briefly as the material upset me quite a bit. I viewed them just to be sure the link actually showed what OP said it did. I've seen plenty of links here that did not match what they are said to contain.
 
Sorry about that. I hadn't seen his post before or yours. I'm kinda all over the place in this thread. Given the topic of the thread though, in retrospect, I might should have referred to hypocrisy as being something other than "double edged". :D

Oh no, don't worry about it I'm totally glad that you agreed with me.
 
This issues particularly interests me. Gaddafi's wickedness is duly noted, but something is amiss. Integrity. Can we all agree that this is not a party issue---that the sodomization and murder of Gaddafi was barbaric, grotesque, and wrong. For the zealous patriots on the right, I believe he should die, but after due process. For the sympathetic crazies on the left, do not think I am sympathetic to Gaddafi. Justice was not carried out; barbarism was. If people are getting off on this, as they did OBL's death, shame on you for your wretched, internal depravity. Gaddafi was a tyrant; but does not mean you stoop to his level.
 
This issues particularly interests me. Gaddafi's wickedness is duly noted, but something is amiss. Integrity. Can we all agree that this is not a party issue---that the sodomization and murder of Gaddafi was barbaric, grotesque, and wrong. For the zealous patriots on the right, I believe he should die, but after due process. For the sympathetic crazies on the left, do not think I am sympathetic to Gaddafi. Justice was not carried out; barbarism was. If people are getting off on this, as they did OBL's death, shame on you for your wretched, internal depravity. Gaddafi was a tyrant; but does not mean you stoop to his level.

Yeah, whatever. Stuff your moral outrage. I was and continue to happy, not only that OBL is dead, but also that it was the US military that got the kill.
 
This issues particularly interests me. Gaddafi's wickedness is duly noted, but something is amiss. Integrity. Can we all agree that this is not a party issue---that the sodomization and murder of Gaddafi was barbaric, grotesque, and wrong. For the zealous patriots on the right, I believe he should die, but after due process. For the sympathetic crazies on the left, do not think I am sympathetic to Gaddafi. Justice was not carried out; barbarism was. If people are getting off on this, as they did OBL's death, shame on you for your wretched, internal depravity. Gaddafi was a tyrant; but does not mean you stoop to his level.

Yeah, whatever. Stuff your moral outrage. I was and continue to happy, not only that OBL is dead, but also that it was the US military that got the kill.

I actually fully agree with Wake here. No matter which way you spin it, sodomizing anyone with a knife is rather barbaric, and the fact that they were shouting "God is great" at the same time is even more ****ed up, in my opinion.

Nevertheless Obama doesn't control what an individual Libyan rebel does. Conservativeguy's attempt to pin this on liberals is completely idiotic.
 
Yeah, whatever. Stuff your moral outrage. I was and continue to happy, not only that OBL is dead, but also that it was the US military that got the kill.
Actually, I made a mistake. OBL wasn't sodomized. I don't know enough about military law.
 
I actually fully agree with Wake here. No matter which way you spin it, sodomizing anyone with a knife is rather barbaric, and the fact that they were shouting "God is great" at the same time is even more ****ed up, in my opinion.
I was pretty specific that I was glad about what happened to OBL, which didn't involve a knife in the rear. Nevertheless, Gaddafi utilized brutal violence himself and it was returned to him. Live by the sword and all that.
 
Actually, I made a mistake. OBL wasn't sodomized. I don't know enough about military law.

Pretty sure military law doesn't call for sodomizing the enemy.
 
These are the people Team BO decided to support. I am pretty certain I will never understand liberalism. You cry over water boarding terrorists but support scumbags that sodomize a human being and then shoot him in the head? It gets better, the rebels are now claiming sharia law will be the foundation of Libya's political and judicial system. Just wondering, how well are women treated under sharia law? Saying liberals have selective moralsm is one of the greatest understatements of all time.


Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame



So how does this work out for the US? Are we and the world better off if Libya goes hardcore islamofacist? If Bush was a cowboy, what is BO? At least cowboys aim and then fire....BO fires and never even tries to aim?
Clearly Obama's fault that a few rebels brutalized a brutal ex-dictator....

Still, I think if Libya's new government had any sense they would put those responsible for this on trial, but I doubt they will considering the general mood there now. This kind of treatment just isn't acceptable or necessary for anyone, not even the worst among us.
 
Still, I think if Libya's new government had any sense they would put those responsible for this on trial

They can't because they're directly or indirectly linked to such atrocities.
 
well, he's never done anything to me or mine, so a quick clean kill would be in order from me.
had he done anything to me or mine...well... i'm capable of brutality, so who knows... sky's the limit.
Thrilla makes a good point here. The rebels may have well had family members who were raped or murdered or may have been victims of MG's tortures. While I don't believe stooping to his level was a good idea, I could certainly understand why this happened if the rebels were also victims. Violence begets violence.
 
Thrilla makes a good point here. The rebels may have well had family members who were raped or murdered or may have been victims of MG's tortures. While I don't believe stooping to his level was a good idea, I could certainly understand why this happened if the rebels were also victims. Violence begets violence.

Unless it's happening to Americans, right? Then the suspects in question are terrorists.
 
No. If a person attacks a person who has victimized them, I do not see it as terrorism regardless of nationality.

So if someone suicide bombs a US convoy because a US occupier shot a relative, that is not terrorism?
 
No. If a person attacks a person who has victimized them, I do not see it as terrorism regardless of nationality.

I remember seeing somewhere (maybe here, maybe not) that an act of war by an unknown/unconventional enemy without a country and organized military etc was to be considered a terrorist.

Then it would appear that anyone or entity that commits any offense (not just violent as could be seen in cyber space etc) against the US can potentially be a terrorist act.

I am not so much concerned about this sub area as much as learning exactly what good and bad was done by MG, and also who or which groups ultimately forced and funded these actions?

So far all I have is information that is no better backed than my own opinion, and a video of someone shoving something that appears to be a large knife towards the rear pants of what looks to be an old man.

One side claims he took the country from the dark ages to an educated one where most were owning their own homes and had ample health care etc (not bad goals for any country) and others are making it appear as if this man was 100 times worse than the media made Hussein appear.

So which is it?

And who really funding his demise and why?

Sorry but to me everything else is propaganda and fluff.
 
Yes I served in the British Army and did a tour in Basra Iraq and im well aware of international law. International wrote by the west has no jurisdiction over this group of rebel fighters

Really...

There are two serious violations of international law here, namely, (1) in relation to the Third Geneva Convention in 1929 and (2) in relation to the UN Security Council Resolution #1973 in 2011. Let me explain first (1) the Geneva Convention and then (2) the UN Resolution hereafter.

-snip-

A technical question here is who should be responsible for this criminal act. There are at least five legal possibilities, namely, (a) the individuals who physically abused him and/or pulled the trigger, like Sanad al-Sadek al-Ureibi and others to be identified, (b) the specific unit of NTC fighters which participated in the capture of Gaddafi and his group, (c) the NTC leadership, (d) NATO forces because of their participation (or complicity) in the attack which led to the capture (and the subsequent murder), and (e) certain leaders of Western powers who have given wholehearted support to NTC from the start to encourage the violence against the regime.

*The Murder of Gaddafi, and the War Crimes of Western Powers** :* Information Clearing House


and as for whooping it up I would like you to show me where?

Look back on this thread. I said I had seen such on Internet forums and I certainly have Look back on this thread and you will find such..

Im indifferent not happy about this death but im not about to judge their actions as I know nothing about them and know very little about what they have expierenced.

I understood you to be condoning it - with regards the sodomy racket, I did not look at the pictures, The very thought was revolting but even without that there is no excuse to condone the behaviour of the NTC fighters. He was a prisoner of war and should have been protected.

I asked this questrion earlier and got no answer but do you also disgaree with the actions of the Italians when they got rid of mussolini?

You didn't ask me and to be honest I don't know what happened to Mussolini. I am assuming the Italian army attacked and humiliated him torturing him for a few minutes and then murdering him against the 1929 Geneva Convention. It is however irrelevant to this and two wrongs do not make a right. The behaviour carried out by some of these people has been as disgusting as we find anywhere. The murder of Gaddafi in this way and the subsequent murder of his son, caught and smoking a cigarette one minute and dead the next and the murder of the 53 other men captured as prisoners of war in Sirte, killed with their hands tied behind their backs. None of these things are excusable.
 
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It's like i said before. It's human behaviour.

True it is human behaviour. It is totally undisciplined barbaric behaviour going against all rules of war.

British BRUTALITY in Iraq - YouTube Hear this british soldier. Hear it how he makes fun of brutality.
No matter if a soldier is from USA, UK, Iraq or elsewhere. Sometimes soldiers need to be animals to survive.

Regarding your video. I watched it till the sadist started talking and the beating began. Some of our soldiers committed crimes and where we have found out about this they have been charged. Looks like these people would fit into that. This is not about needing to be animals to survive, simply about being animals. It is a sadistic clip. Like I say some of our soldiers acted badly and where we know about it they have faced trial. I most certainly do not find this acceptable. It is simply bullying by sadistic people who have power over defenceless people and shows those who are rotten to the core. If you know who these people are please let me know so that I can check they have been brought to account.
 
Really...



*The Murder of Gaddafi, and the War Crimes of Western Powers** :* Information Clearing House




Look back on this thread. I said I had seen such on Internet forums and I certainly have Look back on this thread and you will find such..



I understood you to be condoning it - with regards the sodomy racket, I did not look at the pictures, The very thought was revolting but even without that there is no excuse to condone the behaviour of the NTC fighters. He was a prisoner of war and should have been protected.



You didn't ask me and to be honest I don't know what happened to Mussolini. I am assuming the Italian army attacked and humiliated him torturing him for a few minutes and then murdering him against the 1929 Geneva Convention. It is however irrelevant to this and two wrongs do not make a right. The behaviour carried out by some of these people has been as disgusting as we find anywhere. The murder of Gaddafi in this way and the subsequent murder of his son, caught and smoking a cigarette one minute and dead the next and the murder of the 53 other men captured as prisoners of war in Sirte, killed with their hands tied behind their backs. None of these things are excusable.

No, they aren't. This barbarism is appalling, however justified the "enthusiasm" was. I looked at a couple of frames in the OP's link and then decided that continuing to was participating in it too. What an ugly reminder of how savage human nature can be.

But the captors aren't soldiers in the sense that we understand armies, are they? Trained, I mean, and accustomed to following orders and familiar with the Geneva Convention?

I'm not excusing the executions or corpse desecration, just hoping that somebody who's more familiar with the facts can clue me in.
 
I've been searching to see if Fathi Terbil has released a statement since Gaddafis death but can't find anything. It's a given that he will be ecstatic that Gadaffis reign is finally over, but i can't help wondering how he feels about the events surrounding Gadaffis death.
 
No, they aren't. This barbarism is appalling, however justified the "enthusiasm" was. I looked at a couple of frames in the OP's link and then decided that continuing to was participating in it too. What an ugly reminder of how savage human nature can be.

But the captors aren't soldiers in the sense that we understand armies, are they? Trained, I mean, and accustomed to following orders and familiar with the Geneva Convention?

I'm not excusing the executions or corpse desecration, just hoping that somebody who's more familiar with the facts can clue me in.

I think that they had a mixture of people including soldiers who had defected. I think we also offered some training and we certainly ought to have informed them of the rules of law. I did leave a quote concerning this above. From reports I have read the NTC were frequently involved in raping and killing of Gaddafi supporters and fighters.

We also went far beyond our remit (res 1972?) to safeguard civilians, even in the bombing which allowed for this atrocity.

According to the link I left above
There are two serious violations of international law here, namely, (1) in relation to the Third Geneva Convention in 1929 and (2) in relation to the UN Security Council Resolution #1973 in 2011
particularly with the involvement of the West, I doubt if anything will come of it.

post 195. Here is a bit more

Even "British MP Jeremy Corbyn said that, as Gaddafi was captured alive, he should have been treated as prisoner of war, interrogated and put on trial," but "it looks that there was an element of mob rule in this, and he was indeed killed in the back of the truck," as reported by RT on October 20.

So now, both "the UN Human Rights Office and Amnesty International are calling for an investigation into Gaddafi's death as it raises concerns over what may be the unlawful killing of a prisoner," as reported by RT on October 22. U.N. human rights spokesman Rupert Colville even said on October 20 that he found it very disturbing when "you see someone who has been captured alive and then you see the same person dead....Summary executions are strictly illegal under any circumstances. It's different if someone is killed in combat....But if something else has happened, if someone is captured and then deliberately killed, then that is a very serious matter," as reported by Stephanie Nebehay for Reuters on October 21.

Unfortunately, because of the Western dominance in international legal bodies, any prosecution of war crimes committed by Western forces and their allies is very unlikely, as "Benjamin Barber, an analyst at a US think tank, does not expect anyone will be held accountable for the colonel's death," as reported by RT on October 22.

*The Murder of Gaddafi, and the War Crimes of Western Powers** :* Information Clearing House
 
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Given some of your comments, I'm not even sure if you can see this thread any more. Either way, I might caution you about accusing others of hypocrisy. It's always a double edged sword. You may think it's hypocritical because you don't believe liberals are denouncing this where they would have if Bush were president. That can be easily turned to point out that you're only objecting to this because it happened while Obama is in the White House.

Just saying....

I can still read the comments. The moderators haven't tossed me out....yet.

I will acknowledge my clumsy attempt to stimulate a debate on the merits of BO's decision to blindly side with unknown rebels failed miserably. I used the sodomy story as another example of the dangers of climbing in bed with people you don't know for the sole purpose of killing a dictator. Given the level of atrocities our new "partners" are committing, I think its entirely fair to question the merits of BO's decision to wage war without a clue as to what happens when he achieved the first objective, killing MG.

Where does this stop? Do we start supporting any rebel that wants to kill a dictator, even if that rebel is just as nasty and inhumane as the dictator? There must be at least a dozen dictators in Africa we could target and kill using this new foreign policy. What happens when the rebels become as bad or worse than the dead dictator? Will the US international standing improve? I doubt it.

As to the hypocrisy charge, I will stand by it. If Bush had done the same thing I would be questioning his intelligence. I am still amazed at the level of support the liberals are giving this reckless policy. No good can come from working with new scumbags to kill old scumbags and then leave the country under the control of the new scumbags. Unfortunately the US has a long history on making similarly stupid decisions. Time will tell if my assumption about the new leaders in Libya is correct.
 
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I don't think this thread is going the way the OP intended.

That is a gross understatement. I will stand here and admit I really blew it with this thread. :3oops:
 
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