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    Re: Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    I growed up in america and i love that country a lot.
    I find that difficult to believe, given the fact that English is obviously your second language (which I applaud, since I speak only one language), and your grammar is not conducive to having been educated in American schools.

    Just that what america do outside is everything related to hypocrisy, disgustion.

    It was really fair to ask for revenge the day of 9/11 and america got it. But tell me one thing. Where those families who lost childrens or parents due to US bombardation all over the africa & middle east will find the justice ??

    Extremely graphic footage: Libyan children killed by NATO bombs - YouTube
    Libyan Children victims of NATO's bombing against Libya - YouTube

    Who will pay for these losts?? Will you americans accept to pay because your president wanted to throw some missiles down there??

    Of course not. But think of something. If a man come backs from work and see his house destroyed by your bombs, then see his children and wife dead by a missile, his life is over. He does not have why to leave for anymore. Do not be suprised why that man a day will be a kamikaze. USA make enemies itself. losts of 9/11 in USA is nothing related to what lost africa and muslim world.
    America has done things you clearly disapprove of. America has also been on the forefront of foreign aid, disaster assistance around the world, have assisted in preventing genocide in the Balkans, assisted in defeating the axis in WW2, and helped maintain the democracy in South Korea, etc. We have enemies, but we also have friends. Kosovars and Croats cried with happiness for NATO's help with Serbian brutality; Serbs were not so happy. Libyan rebels who wanted democracy cried with happiness for NATO's help. Kadaffi loyalists did not. You look at America and see only ugliness, blind to any good it may have done or people it may have helped saved. That does not tell me you love this country.

    In many of the few posts you have made here, you have listed "American atrocities" going all the way back to the 1800's. You rail about the horrors America has wrought on the world without acknowledging any of its accomplishments. That does not tell me that you love this country.

    This is the internet. People can pretend to be anyone from anywhere. Whether they will believed, well, that's something else again.

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    Re: Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    I need to type slower, let me spell it out for you BO tools........LIBERALS ARE HYPOCRITES.

    Had this been on Bush's watch you people would have been screaming for his impeachment. Wait, had Bush started launching drones all over the world killing US citizens like BO is doing, the impeachment would already be in motion. Of course that assumes Bush wasn't being impeached for starting a couple of wars without any Congressional approval. The silence of the liberals if deafening.
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    Re: Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    So how does this work out for the US?
    Maybe inhumane treatment is nothing new.



    It doesn't seems like celebrating someones death is a new concept.



    Not sure how this works out for the US, but I myself prefer not to take part in such activities.

    I would prefer my enemies be brought to trial in a somewhat decent manner.

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    Re: Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

    Oh stuff it, Coin. Their leader was using their own fighter jets to bomb their own citizens. NATO decided that wasn't cool and put an end to it. Matt, I celebrated the death of Bin Laden too. Why? Because the SOB attacked my country and killed my citizens. I tend not to have much sympathy for people like that. If you have sympathy for Bin Laden, that's your choice. Just make sure you stay anon on the net saying **** like that because some people are nuts.
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    Re: Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I find that difficult to believe, given the fact that English is obviously your second language (which I applaud, since I speak only one language), and your grammar is not conducive to having been educated in American schools.



    America has done things you clearly disapprove of. America has also been on the forefront of foreign aid, disaster assistance around the world, have assisted in preventing genocide in the Balkans, assisted in defeating the axis in WW2, and helped maintain the democracy in South Korea, etc. We have enemies, but we also have friends. Kosovars and Croats cried with happiness for NATO's help with Serbian brutality; Serbs were not so happy. Libyan rebels who wanted democracy cried with happiness for NATO's help. Kadaffi loyalists did not. You look at America and see only ugliness, blind to any good it may have done or people it may have helped saved. That does not tell me you love this country.

    In many of the few posts you have made here, you have listed "American atrocities" going all the way back to the 1800's. You rail about the horrors America has wrought on the world without acknowledging any of its accomplishments. That does not tell me that you love this country.

    This is the internet. People can pretend to be anyone from anywhere. Whether they will believed, well, that's something else again.
    All the above understood, but still I am amazed by all the people from around the world that just are not fond of the policies and actions of the US around the world.

    Maybe the good that we believe to have done is not all it has been hyped up to be, and the bad that we see is not nearly as bad as what was done, but then I guess the total opposite could be true as well.

    Still it is really interesting to think about it all if one is really able to look beyond what we have been lead to believe (what we think of as fact etc) and consider another side of the story etc. I mean even though many are truly amazed by the things we here have become accustomed to etc I have found some sort of resentment or dislike of our country (not always it's people) from way too many I have met outside of the US that there can not be something to cause these feelings. Sure it can be the result of propaganda from outside the US, but then many of us here do not believe our views could be from the very same problem (propaganda) used here towards us.


    One thing I know for sure is that it is obvious that many posting in this thread are just repeating things they have heard before or been lead to believe by the media etc, and it seems only a few are offering any thoughts that are outside what is being seen in the normal media.

    I am wondering if those who think the reasons there was any support by the US to remove Gaddfi had anything to do with liberating the country also believe the US was in Iraq only to liberate or to remove Saddam Hussien?

    Follow the money and power, and think with an open mind, and then just maybe one can find an answer close to the truth, but please do not believe all the crap were being fed on the news as it just does not make any sense.
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    Re: Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

    Quote Originally Posted by LennyD View Post
    All the above understood, but still I am amazed by all the people from around the world that just are not fond of the policies and actions of the US around the world.

    Maybe the good that we believe to have done is not all it has been hyped up to be, and the bad that we see is not nearly as bad as what was done, but then I guess the total opposite could be true as well.
    Or maybe you're listening to the vocal minority without taking into account that the majority, while critical of many US actions, realise the good that the US does, and find no reason to be loudly critical.
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    Re: Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

    Bottom line, by following the policy he did, Obama was able to help the Libyan's free themselves of a murderous, anti-democratic sponsor of terror against the U.S. other countries around the world. It cost us about 1/1000th what we paid to get rid of Saddam, not a single U.S. trooper was killed, and we are not on the hook for a protracted bout of nation building.

    That's what I call kickin' it liberal style.
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    Re: Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Or maybe you're listening to the vocal minority without taking into account that the majority, while critical of many US actions, realise the good that the US does, and find no reason to be loudly critical.
    Was just really thinking out loud, and sort of playing devils advocate.

    Still I think it is a good thing to question some of the thoughts or beliefs we take for granted just in case etc.

    I also know from experience that questioning or rethinking things can give one a much clearer understanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Bottom line, by following the policy he did, Obama was able to help the Libyan's free themselves of a murderous, anti-democratic sponsor of terror against the U.S. other countries around the world. It cost us about 1/1000th what we paid to get rid of Saddam, not a single U.S. trooper was killed, and we are not on the hook for a protracted bout of nation building.

    That's what I call kickin' it liberal style.
    That does sound pretty good on the surface, but again how much of the above do we really know to be completely true.

    I would think the cost comparison may be accurate, and the dollars spent would in no way compare to what has been spent over three different presidential administrations (or was it four lol) in Iraq, but what do we REALLY know about Libya?

    What I mean is when you look outside of the US you will find information (go ahead and search for yourself) that shows both good and bad, and if you look really close you will find where some of the leaders of the more radical Islamic groups (I believe the same people who murdered Sadat) actually had personally threatened Gaddafi for his views and statements that were not inline with their radical beliefs.

    I have also found information showing that this guy had been cooperating with the US in recent years, and was not looked at as a threat at all.

    I remember on one of those boring weekend news shows way before the original invasion of Iraq that they were discussing potential "bad guys" that the public would back an invasion of, and Gaddafi was dismissed at that time (I believe around the time of the 93 failed WTC bombing) though they agreed he was a potential due to the previous airline bombings etc.

    This does not mean this guy was a priest or even a true friend of the US, but that is also true of many of our so called friends!
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    Re: Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    Ahh, i haven't seen yet a democracy in Iraq.

    Anyway, problem is the way that USA lead this campaign against Gaddaff. They gave money and weapons to rebels to kill Gaddaff. Obama even ignored US constitution during bombardation in Libya.
    The reason of that war was stupid. They wanted Gaddaff dead for ?? - because they didn't liked his plan for gold african dinar (would dollar and euro be pissed of?) Because Gaddaff wanted to unite all Africa?? Because Libya was a rich country with high quality of education & healthcare and it was free? because regime gave $20'000 to every new married couple ? because electricity was free in libya? because Gaddaff gave house to all Libyans? because all libyans loved gaddaff (1 july 2011 at green square proved it)

    No it's not that/

    Just that Rothschild empire (who roll most of globe but seems like even america) wanted to conquer it. And since this empire have their rats in highest positions into biggest organizations/goverments wasn't so hard to find a reason to start an attack.
    Afganistan, Iraq, Libya was attacked by stupid reasons. Soon we will see Iran.

    Many presidents have changed and america never end up it's wars with Africa and middle east.

    USA attacked Iraq at 1963. - CIA organizes coup that killed president, brings Ba'ath Party to power, and Saddam Hussein back from exile to be head of the secret service.
    USA attacked Iraq at 1990. (older Bush) Blockade of Iraqi and Jordanian ports, air strikes; 200,000+ killed in invasion of Iraq and Kuwait; large-scale destruction of Iraqi military
    USA attacked Iraq at 1998.
    USA attacked Iraq at 2003. (elder Bush) - seems like they don't like anymore their old friend Saddam Hussein so they choose to kill him.

    IRAN 1987-88 US intervenes on side of Iraq in war.
    USA attacked IRAN at 1953. CIA overthrows democracy, installs Shah.

    USA attacked Libya at 1986. (Ronald Reagan)
    USA attacked Libya at 2011. (Barac Obama)

    No matter who become president of USA. USA will always be the same.
    I found this interesting as even though the first I have seen mention the Rothschild connection here I have been in more than one discussion where their name has come up (not just Libya also) and it would not surprise me at all if following the money and power would lead to enlightenment once again

    Though I do not fault the US for all its foreign actions (nothing is perfect etc) I can see the basis for your negative opinion, but I think you would benefit from two things in making your points.

    One is that you already have thoughts towards the other controlling factors or groups of the world, just like you point to the Rothschild's there are others outside the US with much to gain from so many of the worlds changes.

    Two is that you really need to either more fully explain or back up your statements. I know it is a pain at times, and when I did post here more often it was requested as well.

    I know we can not always post a link to everything (something just can not survive on the net etc) but there is more to making the claim stick than making it etc.

    Lastly it is interesting to see a different opinion and writing style
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