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    Re: Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You must not give a rats ass about your loved ones enough to not want to give a little pay back to the scumbag or scumbags who would harm and or kill your loved ones.
    Just because i don't want to sink a knife up someones ass and act like an animal doesn't mean that i don't care about my loved ones and wouldn't want a criminal to be held accountable for their actions. That's simply ridiculous. Either you get off on making trollish comments or you are just incredibly stupid. Which one is it?


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    So you are saying that you and your loved ones were victimized by a brutal dictator for decades?
    No, so are you suggesting that my opinion is only valid if i had been a victim of a brutal dictator for decades? Have you? If you have not then why is your opinion more valid than mine?
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    Re: Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

    Quote Originally Posted by LennyD View Post
    I remember seeing somewhere (maybe here, maybe not) that an act of war by an unknown/unconventional enemy without a country and organized military etc was to be considered a terrorist...... that anyone or entity that commits any offense (not just violent as could be seen in cyber space etc) against the US can potentially be a terrorist act..
    The US definition of terrorism has been widely criticized by other first-world countries because it opens the door for a bad prez (like Nixon or Dick Cheney) to create a totalitarian state
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    One side claims he took the country from the dark ages to an educated one where most were owning their own homes and had ample health care etc (not bad goals for any country) and others are making it appear as if this man was 100 times worse than the media made Hussein appear. So which is it?
    It could be both. That MG improved education, quality of life and infrastructure in Libya is true. That GM also committed atrocities is true. The two are not mutually exclusive.
    Quote Originally Posted by LennyD View Post
    And who really funding his demise and why?
    My guess is GM was taken down because the bigger powers could no longer control him. He had been doing the things cited as reason to help the people overthrow his government for decades so I'm not buying this as the true reason.
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    Just because i don't want to sink a knife up someones ass and act like an animal doesn't mean that i don't care about my loved ones and wouldn't want a criminal to be held accountable for their actions. That's simply ridiculous.
    clap2.gif The rebels who abused MG were angry young men bent on revenge. Had they been older/seasoned men, I believe MG's end would have been more humane and more in accordance with international law.

    An example from real life. In 2004 we were hit head-on by a young man who passed out due to illegal drug use and my injuries forever altered my life. Had this happened when I was younger, I would have likely wanted this youngster to rot in jail for decades or his head on a platter. By 2004, I had realized that destroying his young life would not help my situation in any meaningful way and would not help society either. So I insisted he be given a chance to turn his life around in a drug court program (Guilty plea for felony, immediate parole for sentence with understanding that he would serve 100% the prison time if he did not turn his life around). He recovered from his addiction, is now a productive citizen and is not a threat to no one instead of an ex-con who cost society about $250,000 to imprison.

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    Re: Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Just getting to know you. Bit of a trickster I see. Sure I asked in a previous post whether you were in the army. Your quote however was related to your assertion that the brutal murder of Gaddafi, then a prisoner of war was not against International Law - and you claimed to know this on the basis of being a soldier.

    Well, guess what, it is! Makes me wonder what I do not know about the British Army which the British Public would be very interested to know.

    You finding it so unusual to have your opinion questioned is also interesting. Hint you are not in the army here
    if a NATO force had captured him then yes obviously it would of been against international law but I dont think that a group of rebels can be included in this. Article 12 of the convention states that prisoners of war are the responsibility of the state and as the rebels were not fighting for an established state how can it be against the law?
    I have watched the video a couple of times and admit it is very brutal and maybe the rebels could of handled it better but its much better than the thought of Gadaffi standing trial. He would of underminded any attempt at democracy and at worst could of rallied his loyalists.

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    Re: Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    if a NATO force had captured him then yes obviously it would of been against international law but I dont think that a group of rebels can be included in this. Article 12 of the convention states that prisoners of war are the responsibility of the state and as the rebels were not fighting for an established state how can it be against the law?
    I have watched the video a couple of times and admit it is very brutal and maybe the rebels could of handled it better but its much better than the thought of Gadaffi standing trial. He would of underminded any attempt at democracy and at worst could of rallied his loyalists.
    I didn't watch any of it, Higgens86. I even ignore all the bloody photos of him. Obviously there are some semantics here but they had been trained, were acting as an army with outside support and on ground soldiers from Qatar and Gadaffi was a prisoner of war. However it appears the NTC are going to put the guy who shot him on trial. Nothing about the disgusting torture. I'd ask if he was dead when they did this, but I don't want the answer. They claim they were always going to bring the guy who killed G to justice and that they are sure he is an individual, not a member of any force at all...so looks like one person will be the fall guy.

    The change in position comes after a week of sustained criticism of the Libyan leader's captors, who used their camera phones to chronicle his death. The footage, including images of a wounded Gaddafi being sodomised with what looked like a bayonet, caused widespread revulsion outside the country.

    Abdel Hafiz Ghoga, deputy chief of the National Transitional Council, said it would try to bring to justice anyone proven to have fired the shot to the head that killed Gaddafi.

    "With regards to Gaddafi, we do not wait for anybody to tell us," he told the al-Arabiya satellite channel. "We had already launched an investigation. We have issued a code of ethics in handling of prisoners of war. I am sure that was an individual act and not an act of revolutionaries or the national army. Whoever is responsible for that [Gaddafi's killing] will be judged and given a fair trial."
    Gaddafi killer faces prosecution, says Libyan interim government | World news | The Guardian

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    Re: Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

    This issue gets me upset. Yes, Gaddafi was a mass-murderer, but what happened to him was wrong and should not be celebrated. The same is true if, say, an embezzler was shot and killed after his trial and people celebrated/took glee in the fact. Make no mistake: I do not support Gaddafi and his vitreol. But, I do not support such human carnality, either.

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    Re: Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

    Only one thing missing in those videos. All of the thousands of people killed by bombings by Ghadaffi himself. Until you show videos of those to balance out the report, you'll be seen as quite frankly, ridiculous.

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    Re: Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Only one thing missing in those videos. All of the thousands of people killed by bombings by Ghadaffi himself. Until you show videos of those to balance out the report, you'll be seen as quite frankly, ridiculous.
    Civilized people don't respond in kind to acts of unthinkable brutality and horror. To do so would make us just as evil as the evil we are fighting. I have no problem putting down a killer, just show some class and do it objectively and fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post

    An example from real life. In 2004 we were hit head-on by a young man who passed out due to illegal drug use and my injuries forever altered my life. Had this happened when I was younger, I would have likely wanted this youngster to rot in jail for decades or his head on a platter. By 2004, I had realized that destroying his young life would not help my situation in any meaningful way and would not help society either. So I insisted he be given a chance to turn his life around in a drug court program (Guilty plea for felony, immediate parole for sentence with understanding that he would serve 100% the prison time if he did not turn his life around). He recovered from his addiction, is now a productive citizen and is not a threat to no one instead of an ex-con who cost society about $250,000 to imprison.
    I can understand your thinking 100%, and bad as such a situation must be it is uplifting to see your thought and attitude on it as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    The US definition of terrorism has been widely criticized by other first-world countries because it opens the door for a bad prez (like Nixon or Dick Cheney) to create a totalitarian state

    It could be both. That MG improved education, quality of life and infrastructure in Libya is true. That GM also committed atrocities is true. The two are not mutually exclusive.

    My guess is GM was taken down because the bigger powers could no longer control him. He had been doing the things cited as reason to help the people overthrow his government for decades so I'm not buying this as the true reason.

    clap2.gif The rebels who abused MG were angry young men bent on revenge. Had they been older/seasoned men, I believe MG's end would have been more humane and more in accordance with international law.
    I am thinking we agree more than not.

    The misuse of "terrorism" is out of control, and the overwhelming amount of propaganda of what we are shown relating to foreign affairs and happenings in the ME in the news makes it truly difficult to form a proper opinion.

    One moment we are led to believe that all of Islam is planning to over throw the entire west "by the sword" and the next were told that there are only a small amount of "radicals" that are being dealt with militarily, and then that this leader or that leader is part of the "axis of evil" and so on and so forth as the BS piles up so high no one can believe any of it.

    From reading various news sources outside of the US, and reading various authors who have either first hand experience or have lived most of their lives in the ME I have become of the opinion that the garbage we are fed by our legislators and our media is inaccurate, misleading and changes direction as the needs of public opinion and various political and monetary agendas dictate.

    I completely agree with the issues some "bigger power" had with MG, and that this was a big part of why he was allowed to fall, but also realize that more importantly than his own selling him out is that there is a much larger force driving all the change in the ME and being that force is money and power it is no surprise that the exact country or leader is only of importance when rallying public support.

    I figure this all is why so many outside the US despise it, though not everyone would be an ally even if such tactics were not used it would seem obvious that the normal everyday working class family in the ME would have much more anger towards the US than MG etc.

    We have to remember that those inside the ME are most likely receiving the exact opposite propaganda that is used in the US, and just like in the US when things are tough or worse finding a common enemy to blame and point hatred towards etc is a very strong and effective tool.

    Now add to all this the large amount of anti terror units, dollars, and manpower being used to "keep an eye" on the OWS protests and it makes one really wonder just WTF is the intent of the whole war on terror, and where is this all leading to?
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    Re: Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

    This region of the world.........

    What is it? Why is it so hard for any nation there to evolve beyond the stone age and act like a civilized species?

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