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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No, but I would force any couple that creates a child together to be married and spend the next 18 years and 9 months (minimum) together to raise that child.
    This is why I think social conservatism is an oxymoron - it is essentially an appeal to a big and intrusive government to instill a certain brand of morality on everyone else through the use of force.

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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Except, since it won't be implemented, it will never be able to get those results you desire.

    The best thing we can do to reduce children out of wedlock is educate teenagers on the true costs of having children when they are not financially and/or emotionally/mentally ready for them and all the things that can be done to prevent unwanted pregnancies. This should be a major responsibility of parents, but it should also be covered, from an academic standpoint, in school. Make teenagers really see what it takes to be a parent and what happens to parents who aren't prepared and are barely making it, if at all.
    You and I both know that isn't going to make a damn bit of difference. So at least in the system I suggest there is a PUNISHMENT for committing the crime that we both know isn't going to be stopped before it's committed.

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    This is why I think social conservatism is an oxymoron - it is essentially an appeal to a big and intrusive government to instill a certain brand of morality on everyone else through the use of force.
    True Social Conservatism is a part of Authoritarianism, not a Libertarian view of things. Always has been and always will be. I'm an avowed Authoritarian. Never denied it.

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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That's fine. The intent is not to force them to get married. The intent is to reduce the occurance of pre-marital sex to ensure that they don't end up in that situation.
    This isn't going to reduce pre-marital sex either. Even today, a child is a very big commitment, and adding to this commitment won't do much. Accidents are accidents for a reason.
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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    This isn't going to reduce pre-marital sex either. Even today, a child is a very big commitment, and adding to this commitment won't do much. Accidents are accidents for a reason.
    Children are not ACCIDENTS. Children are what can happen when two individuals make a choice to engage in a certain act. Even if those individuals are on birth control, using condoms, etc... I have a friend who just had her second child about 4 months ago; and almost 10 years after having her tubes tied. When FATE makes a decision, there are no ACCIDENTS.

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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    You and I both know that isn't going to make a damn bit of difference. So at least in the system I suggest there is a PUNISHMENT for committing the crime that we both know isn't going to be stopped before it's committed.
    But if you have no hope of what you are suggesting getting through, which you have pretty much none, then your suggestion is not going to do any good either.

    And I must say that your assertion that it won't do any difference is wrong. I know that education and open talks are the absolute best way to cut down on teenage pregnancies, if not all unwanted pregnancies. My parents have six children, all are now adults. No teenage pregnancies. And we grew up in poverty. Odds were pretty good at least one of us should have been a teenage mother or father, but it didn't happen because there was almost always someone there enforcing the facts about what unprotected sex can lead to and exactly what unwanted pregnancies can do to your life.
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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    That's the same group that still think that GWB was an effective and good President. Hardly what I would call a significant number
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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That's the same group that still think that GWB was an effective and good President.
    You obviously don't know what fiscal conservatism is.
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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Sorry Vance but your statement is factually incorrect. Teaparty supported and elected govs attacked public workers viciously...they blamed their state woes on the workers and at the same time stripping their workers they either did or attempted to give tax cuts to the rich and corporations....NONE has created any jobs yet in any of those states.
    The first thing House elected teaparty supported reps did was attack social security and medicare...ryan put together a teaparty backed plan that was a candystore for the rich and corporations at everyone elses expense....Since the election in Nov the teaparty has lost tons of their support...and they will lose more. Just look at this primary...everyone of their far right n utter candidates has been soundly REJECTED by moderate republicans and independents....
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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    True Social Conservatism is a part of Authoritarianism, not a Libertarian view of things. Always has been and always will be. I'm an avowed Authoritarian. Never denied it.
    Conservatism has nothing to do with limited government. Thanks for being honest.

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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    This is why I think social conservatism is an oxymoron - it is essentially an appeal to a big and intrusive government to instill a certain brand of morality on everyone else through the use of force.
    I'll give a better example of an oxymoron, emphasis on moron.

    People who say they are fiscal conservatives and socially liberal. The very second a person approves using taxpayers monies to advance socially liberal programs or causes, they are no longer a fiscal conservative.....period.
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