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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Sorry Vance but your statement is factually incorrect. Teaparty supported and elected govs attacked public workers viciously...they blamed their state woes on the workers and at the same time stripping their workers they either did or attempted to give tax cuts to the rich and corporations....NONE has created any jobs yet in any of those states.
    The first thing House elected teaparty supported reps did was attack social security and medicare...ryan put together a teaparty backed plan that was a candystore for the rich and corporations at everyone elses expense....Since the election in Nov the teaparty has lost tons of their support...and they will lose more. Just look at this primary...everyone of their far right n utter candidates has been soundly REJECTED by moderate republicans and independents....
    That's kinda funny....they've had less than a year, and yet President Obama has had nearly three.....blah blah blah. Anyways, I think the tea party is little more than a bunch of rednecks and libertarians, or redneck libertarians...but the truth is, liberal democrats have done **** else more than the rednecks. ****, they spent the first two years wrapped around passing unconstitutional legislation....how bright is that?
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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I don't really see how the one follows the other.
    Very simple... If you return to a proper social order, then many of the ills that have created the financial crisis cease to exist.... The prison population goes down when you start executing violent offenders. Welfare, social security, unemployment, etc... all get washed off the books because there is no legitimate mandate for such government programs. Marriage and proper family management reduces the number of unwed mothers, single parent families, and the need for many other social services. I'm sure you can see where I'm going here.

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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    The illegitimacy rate is a big problem, but I see it as a social issue rather than a political issue. Do you want to make premarital sex illegal?
    No, but I would force any couple that creates a child together to be married and spend the next 18 years and 9 months (minimum) together to raise that child.

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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    dems have called for raising taxes to cover the spending
    They have called for tax increases, but it wouldn't come within light years of covering the spending. Repealing the Bush tax cut only for the top bracket, would amount to a 10% increase in revenues (at best) on that portion of revenues. Personal income tax on that bracket only accounts for 50% of the total revenues from personal income tax, and the total revenues from personal income tax are only 40% of total revenues. 10% of 50% of 40% = a 2% increase in revenues. Right now we're borrowing ~42 cents for every dollar that we spend.



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    whereas so-called conservatives in Congress have for the most part encouraged cutting taxes but spend anyway.
    This part is true and caused the rise of the Tea Party.
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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Sorry Vance but your statement is factually incorrect. Teaparty supported and elected govs attacked public workers viciously...they blamed their state woes on the workers and at the same time stripping their workers they either did or attempted to give tax cuts to the rich and corporations....NONE has created any jobs yet in any of those states.
    The first thing House elected teaparty supported reps did was attack social security and medicare...ryan put together a teaparty backed plan that was a candystore for the rich and corporations at everyone elses expense....Since the election in Nov the teaparty has lost tons of their support...and they will lose more. Just look at this primary...everyone of their far right n utter candidates has been soundly REJECTED by moderate republicans and independents....
    Thats not at all inconsistent with what I said. The Tea Party folks...that minority of folks...believes in smaller government...smaller fed roles, responsible federal spending. They target republicans, not democrats. Of COURSE they want to see federal programs gutted...they see a 15.5 trillion dollar debt about to be handed down to your grandchildren and dont like it. The Tea Party folks are the natural enemy to big spending democrats AND big spending republicans.

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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No, but I would force any couple that creates a child together to be married and spend the next 18 years and 9 months (minimum) together to raise that child.
    Which is never going to happen. This can lead to huge issues of spousal abuse. It is also not going to be good/healthy for a child to be raised by parents who either don't love each other or do not love them or both.
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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Highway View Post
    Explain, having debt is bad because then your beholden to someone. Having the ability to go into debt as fine but it doesnt mean that you should.
    If you don't maintain a healthy debt, you'll lose your credit rating. If you stay out of debt for 7 years, you'll lose all of your credit.

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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Note the distinction between the terms; either you are liberal or you are mean.
    This is according to the view of the citizen; either you give to them, or you do not.

    Some politicians have gone to great lengths to portray the rich as another type of citizen,
    almost an enemy of the people. In doing so, they now have
    the masses believing that taking from the rich is a noble cause; especially if they are to receive
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    I say that it may be a good thing to be reputed liberal, but, nevertheless, that liberality without the reputation of it is hurtful; because, though it be worthily and rightly used, still if it be not known, you escape not the reproach of its opposite vice. Hence, to have credit for liberality with the world at large, you must neglect no circumstance of sumptuous display; the result being, that a Prince of a liberal disposition will consume his whole substance in things of this sort, and, after all, be obliged, if he would maintain his reputation for liberality, to burden his subjects with extraordinary taxes, and to resort to confiscations and all the other shifts whereby money is raised. But in this way he becomes hateful to his subjects, and growing impoverished is held in little esteem by any. So that in the end, having by his liberality offended many and obliged few, he is worse off than when he began, and is exposed to all his original dangers.


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    I'd say this guy pretty much called it.
    In that time and place, this may be a more valid response to the question, but as our country is not operating under the feudal system, there is no prince to make a "sumptuous display".

    Infrastructure, social programs and education can hardly be called a "sumptuous display" in any case.
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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which is never going to happen. This can lead to huge issues of spousal abuse. It is also not going to be good/healthy for a child to be raised by parents who either don't love each other or do not love them or both.
    That's fine. The intent is not to force them to get married. The intent is to reduce the occurance of pre-marital sex to ensure that they don't end up in that situation.

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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That's fine. The intent is not to force them to get married. The intent is to reduce the occurance of pre-marital sex to ensure that they don't end up in that situation.
    Except, since it won't be implemented, it will never be able to get those results you desire.

    The best thing we can do to reduce children out of wedlock is educate teenagers on the true costs of having children when they are not financially and/or emotionally/mentally ready for them and all the things that can be done to prevent unwanted pregnancies. This should be a major responsibility of parents, but it should also be covered, from an academic standpoint, in school. Make teenagers really see what it takes to be a parent and what happens to parents who aren't prepared and are barely making it, if at all.
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