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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    So overspending....like I said.
    Most people agree that money should be spent on infrastructure, education, and social programs. They might not agree on the scope, but most people agree that government should have a role in such things. I don't know where you're getting the belief that spending money on these three things is necessarily overspending.

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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Why would anyone choose to be liberal with money? It's only a recipe for bankruptcy.
    The 'liberal' part financially invariably involves SOMEONE ELSES money.

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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    That is a landslide minority

    The teaparty has had no impact in changing americans beliefs...the numbers remain the same.

    he bad economy, a change in presidents, bailouts, health care, the Tea Party and now another presidential cycle, you name it. Still, the basic fiscal and social ideologies of U.S. voters remain largely unchanged.


    27% Say They
    Surely this cant shock you? It is why the democrats attack on the Tea Party is so mindless and stupid...ooops...I mean corrupt and contrived. The Tea Party...that 27%...they arent going after democrats...they are going after republicans. The Tea Party scares big spending GOP members more than it should scare democrats.

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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Why would anyone choose to be liberal with money? It's only a recipe for bankruptcy.
    Like you have any idea how to handle money.

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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    That is a landslide minority

    The teaparty has had no impact in changing americans beliefs...the numbers remain the same.

    he bad economy, a change in presidents, bailouts, health care, the Tea Party and now another presidential cycle, you name it. Still, the basic fiscal and social ideologies of U.S. voters remain largely unchanged.


    27% Say They
    Can't read the poll as it's behind login.

    If it's like the rest of these polls it's worthless as people can define the ideology as anything they want. Considering how many of the "conservatives here" have literally no idea what that ideology means, I have a hard time believing that the rest of the country does.
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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Like you have any idea how to handle money.
    Well I can't speak for Josie, but my finances are in the black.

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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Most people agree that money should be spent on infrastructure, education, and social programs. They might not agree on the scope, but most people agree that government should have a role in such things. I don't know where you're getting the belief that spending money on these three things is necessarily overspending.
    It isn't necessarily. I agree that deficit spending is not the goal with liberals, simple spending is. If we have the money, spend it. If we don't have the money, still, spend it.

    Deficits don't play into the equation. It's a simple goal of spend it.

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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    May I ask, what do you consider being liberal with money?
    Note the distinction between the terms; either you are liberal or you are mean.
    This is according to the view of the citizen; either you give to them, or you do not.

    Some politicians have gone to great lengths to portray the rich as another type of citizen,
    almost an enemy of the people. In doing so, they now have
    the masses believing that taking from the rich is a noble cause; especially if they are to receive
    services from this legal plunder...


    I say that it may be a good thing to be reputed liberal, but, nevertheless, that liberality without the reputation of it is hurtful; because, though it be worthily and rightly used, still if it be not known, you escape not the reproach of its opposite vice. Hence, to have credit for liberality with the world at large, you must neglect no circumstance of sumptuous display; the result being, that a Prince of a liberal disposition will consume his whole substance in things of this sort, and, after all, be obliged, if he would maintain his reputation for liberality, to burden his subjects with extraordinary taxes, and to resort to confiscations and all the other shifts whereby money is raised. But in this way he becomes hateful to his subjects, and growing impoverished is held in little esteem by any. So that in the end, having by his liberality offended many and obliged few, he is worse off than when he began, and is exposed to all his original dangers.


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    I'd say this guy pretty much called it.

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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Note the distinction between the terms; either you are liberal or you are mean.
    This is according to the view of the citizen; either you give to them, or you do not.

    Some politicians have gone to great lengths to portray the rich as another type of citizen,
    almost an enemy of the people. In doing so, they now have
    the masses believing that taking from the rich is a noble cause; especially if they are to receive
    services from this legal plunder...


    I say that it may be a good thing to be reputed liberal, but, nevertheless, that liberality without the reputation of it is hurtful; because, though it be worthily and rightly used, still if it be not known, you escape not the reproach of its opposite vice. Hence, to have credit for liberality with the world at large, you must neglect no circumstance of sumptuous display; the result being, that a Prince of a liberal disposition will consume his whole substance in things of this sort, and, after all, be obliged, if he would maintain his reputation for liberality, to burden his subjects with extraordinary taxes, and to resort to confiscations and all the other shifts whereby money is raised. But in this way he becomes hateful to his subjects, and growing impoverished is held in little esteem by any. So that in the end, having by his liberality offended many and obliged few, he is worse off than when he began, and is exposed to all his original dangers.


    - Machiavelli



    I'd say this guy pretty much called it.
    Of course, with the Florentine Republic and most governments until the past couple of centuries, they were far weaker of a state in terms of material resources and currency, so his words have far greater impact under that recognition.
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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Surely this cant shock you? It is why the democrats attack on the Tea Party is so mindless and stupid...ooops...I mean corrupt and contrived. The Tea Party...that 27%...they arent going after democrats...they are going after republicans. The Tea Party scares big spending GOP members more than it should scare democrats.
    Most Tea Party groups have explicitly stated they are not pushing conservative social issues, it's all about fiscal prudence and personal responsibility and liberty. You are correct about the TP movement going after republicans. If Tom Delay was still in office he would be one of the biggest targets of the TP. He was a hardcore social conservative and a fiscal moron.
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