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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    If you've been reading my posts since I joined in July, none of that should surpise you, Gina.
    No, I guess it doesn't surprise me that it was you that said that.

    I have to wonder if other conservatives would agree with you though.
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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    If you've been reading my posts since I joined in July, none of that should surpise you, Gina.
    I like the fact you're unabashedly honest about your views.
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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    You're right, it's not complex, your definition of "conservative" is based solely on your personal definition. You are aware that Reagans "big tent" philosophy is the reason the Republican party actually became relevant again in politics right?
    RR became relevant because his conservative principles were a clear contrast from Jimmy Carter's failed liberal principles. RR didn't water down his conservative principles in order to win over moderates.
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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Yes, and it's one of the reasons that those of us who are True Conservatives spit on his grave.
    I consider myself to be very conservative. I didn't like some of RR's decisions but not enough to spit on his grave.
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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    RR became relevant because his conservative principles were a clear contrast from Jimmy Carter's failed liberal principles. RR didn't water down his conservative principles in order to win over moderates.
    Carter was not very liberal...he was fiscally and socially conservative.
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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Carter was a southern Democrat and they have traditional been more conservative than GOPs. He was 8 to 10 clicks right of Reagan on social policy and at least three clicks to the right on economic policy.
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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    That is a landslide minority

    The teaparty has had no impact in changing americans beliefs...the numbers remain the same.

    he bad economy, a change in presidents, bailouts, health care, the Tea Party and now another presidential cycle, you name it. Still, the basic fiscal and social ideologies of U.S. voters remain largely unchanged.

    27% Say They
    What the hell does the Tea Party have to do with a poll talking about fiscal AND social issues when its largely and primarily a fiscal, not social, movement?

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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    That is a landslide minority

    The teaparty has had no impact in changing americans beliefs...the numbers remain the same.

    he bad economy, a change in presidents, bailouts, health care, the Tea Party and now another presidential cycle, you name it. Still, the basic fiscal and social ideologies of U.S. voters remain largely unchanged.


    27% Say They
    Fiscal conservatives are all about smaller government and spending less money. Fiscal conservatives tend toward the Libertarian ideal of less government and more individual responsibility.

    Social conservatives, on the other hand, tend toward the authoritarian side, wanting to make laws to govern individual behavior and impose their morality on the rest of society by force of law.

    The two are like oil and water, it seems to me. A fiscal and social conservative has to engage in some serious doublethink in order to keep both ideas in their heads at once.
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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    No, I guess it doesn't surprise me that it was you that said that.

    I have to wonder if other conservatives would agree with you though.
    The next moment that I concern myself with whether or not anyone agrees with me, will be the FIRST moment I concern myself with whether or not anyone agrees with me, Gina.


    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I like the fact you're unabashedly honest about your views.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    I consider myself to be very conservative. I didn't like some of RR's decisions but not enough to spit on his grave.
    He spent the majority of his Presidency looking OUTSIDE this country when there were and still are massive, festering wounds INSIDE this nation that need to be addressed much more pressingly.

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    Re: 27% Say They’re Conservative On Both Fiscal and Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Social conservatives appeal to an authoritative government. Are social conservatives not real conservatives?
    That's actually incorrect.

    SOME social conservatives appeal to an authoritative government.

    The issue is people wrongfully attempt to take an ideology that has multiple segments and suggest that a singular segment is the true one.

    You have Social Conservatism, focusing on traditions, morals, and societal lifestyle.

    You have Governmental Conservatism, focusing on size and scope of government and the amount of intrusion and power it should have on peoples lives.

    You have Fiscal Conservatism, focusing on the costs of operating government and the amount government involves itself in your own finances.

    You have Militaristic Conservatism, focusing on the size/scope/strength of our military, our intelligence capabilities, our status and regard within the world, etc.

    Those are in my mind your four largest branches from the baseline of "conservatism". Someone who is extremely socially conservative but who is rather weak regarding Governmental conservatism is likely to trend more authoritarian, as they do not have the conservative aversion to government intervention so intead us the government to enforce those traditions, morals, lifestyle choices, etc.

    On the flip side, one could be a social and governmental conservative, and feel that those traditions or morals should be instilled by preventing the use of government to enforce things onto people that are contrary to those traditions or morals, or that they should be instilled from a more personal level with the government staying hands off save for in places its absolutely necessary.

    Depending on how strong or weak they are in any particular portion of conservatism can tip the scale as to what's acceptable and what's not.

    Its possible to be socially conservative and not be authoratarian. Its even possible to be socially conservative and libertarian. The "authoritarian/libertarian" deliniation comes much more out of their place on the governmental scale rather than social.

    There's not only one type of social conservative, and attempting to lump all conservatives as those who feel the government should forcefully involve itself into how people live their lives is a grossly innacurate and ignorant of reality statement.

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