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    Re: Naomi Wolf explains our constitutional right to peaceful assembly

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I shudder to think of the crap you were fed in your government class by some ivory tower never had a real job in his life lib scum prof.
    Do you disagree that Democracy can't work without active participation by the citizens?
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    Re: Naomi Wolf explains our constitutional right to peaceful assembly

    [QUOTE=Catawba;1059898881]Do you disagree that Democracy can't work without active participation by the citizens?[/QUOTE

    It's called voting.

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    Re: Naomi Wolf explains our constitutional right to peaceful assembly

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Do you disagree that Democracy can't work without active participation by the citizens?

    It's called voting.
    Yes, voting and the right to peacefully assemble and protest, you disagree that a democracy can't work without these means being exercised?
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    Re: Naomi Wolf explains our constitutional right to peaceful assembly

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    LOL

    That aside I didn't watch the video. No way could I stomach Olbermann for that long. From what I gather from others concerning her arguement though, I agree with her. Despite her failure to make a man out of Gore I've read her and respected her views even when I disagreed with them in the past. I thought Fire with Fire was an interesting read.

    No way should anyone have to get a permit to excercise their rights. Hopefully someone takes this far enough to get these laws overturned.
    The problem is that the Supreme Court has said otherwise. In Brandenburg v. Ohio, the Supreme Court made abundantly clear that the rights laid out in the Constitution are not absolute, but rather should be weighed against the Imminent lawless action test. If a police officer believed this protest to be an imminent precursor to lawless action, then he was within his duty as a public servant to arrest her. Whether or not his judgement was sound is up to the courts to decide.

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    Re: Naomi Wolf explains our constitutional right to peaceful assembly

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick2253 View Post
    The problem is that the Supreme Court has said otherwise. In Brandenburg v. Ohio, the Supreme Court made abundantly clear that the rights laid out in the Constitution are not absolute, but rather should be weighed against the Imminent lawless action test. If a police officer believed this protest to be an imminent precursor to lawless action, then he was within his duty as a public servant to arrest her. Whether or not his judgement was sound is up to the courts to decide.
    Yes, a police officer can arrest you for nearly any reason he can come up with. What I complained about was having to get a permit to excercise your constitutional rights.

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    Re: Naomi Wolf explains our constitutional right to peaceful assembly

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, voting and the right to peacefully assemble and protest, you disagree that a democracy can't work without these means being exercised?
    Tea party was peaceful assembly and protest, occupiers have been anything but that, huge difference. The old apples oranges thing.

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    Re: Naomi Wolf explains our constitutional right to peaceful assembly

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Yes, a police officer can arrest you for nearly any reason he can come up with. What I complained about was having to get a permit to excercise your constitutional rights.
    You only need a permit to exercise those rights in a public square, where the risk of imminent lawless action is higher. If you wish to assemble with your friends on your back porch, the SCOTUS says "go right ahead."

    However, I do agree with you. But the problem is that the SCOTUS has determined that "make no law...abridging the freedom of..." doesn't mean what you and I think it should mean. As far as the courts have determined, abridging those freedoms are OK based on needs for public safety and other things. Based on Cox v. New Hampshire, the SCOTUS has determined that our Constitutional Right to assemble is actually controllable by the states, and they can place reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions on assembly for the public safety. Therefore, assembling in a public space without a permit is not necessarily a Constitutional right.

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    Re: Naomi Wolf explains our constitutional right to peaceful assembly

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Tea party was peaceful assembly and protest, occupiers have been anything but that, huge difference. The old apples oranges thing.
    Are you saying that non-violent civil disobedience nullifies the validity of a protest?
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    Re: Naomi Wolf explains our constitutional right to peaceful assembly

    Ok well - she needs to make up her mind.

    ON one hand she's talking about protesting - peacefully.
    ON the other hand she says "I was jailed for standing on a corner outside an event to which I had been invited."

    So was she there to protest or was she there per invite to a non-protest event?


    "I refused to obey an unlawful order"
    To this: since when do citizens EVER have the right to interpret the lawfulness of a police officers request and play 'judge' right there?

    What people tend to do is *do something* and when they feel they're not doing anything wrong per their blunt interpretation of amendments and laws they will argue with an officer that they are absolutely right and the officer is absolutely wrong . . . and then they complain when the officer doesn't step aside and let them do as they wish.

    What if cops went along all the time and stepped aside every time someone says "hey - I've got a right to be here" or "hey - I've got a right to do this" . . . We'd have chaos. . . Every time a potential robber was seen with a gun it would just be ignored because "hey - I've got a right to own this firearm and you don't have the right to question me!" . . . I mean - come on. don't people realize why the law leans on the side of the enforcement and not the generic public?
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    Re: Naomi Wolf explains our constitutional right to peaceful assembly

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Ok well - she needs to make up her mind.

    ON one hand she's talking about protesting - peacefully.
    ON the other hand she says "I was jailed for standing on a corner outside an event to which I had been invited."

    So was she there to protest or was she there per invite to a non-protest event?


    "I refused to obey an unlawful order"
    To this: since when do citizens EVER have the right to interpret the lawfulness of a police officers request and play 'judge' right there?

    What people tend to do is *do something* and when they feel they're not doing anything wrong per their blunt interpretation of amendments and laws they will argue with an officer that they are absolutely right and the officer is absolutely wrong . . . and then they complain when the officer doesn't step aside and let them do as they wish.

    What if cops went along all the time and stepped aside every time someone says "hey - I've got a right to be here" or "hey - I've got a right to do this" . . . We'd have chaos. . . Every time a potential robber was seen with a gun it would just be ignored because "hey - I've got a right to own this firearm and you don't have the right to question me!" . . . I mean - come on. don't people realize why the law leans on the side of the enforcement and not the generic public?

    Did you just equate a peaceful protester standing on a sidewalk to potential robber seen with a gun???
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