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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Um...nature? It's innate.
    Really? So if I have a kid, don't talk to him and throw him out into the world when he's 14, he'll just know that he has the power to "make things how they are"?

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Curbed, yes. Ended, no.
    I agree with that.

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    They have a higher suicide rate than the general population and LGBT kids are 4x more like to commit suicide than their peers so it's less him singling them and more statistics singling them out. And yeah, it can be curbed.
    While my gut feeling would be that their rate is higher, I've found no study that backs that belief. Then one would have to be able to break it down to those who committed suicide because they were bullied and those who were simply depressed.

    In the end though, IMO the reasons are all the same gay or straight.

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive
    Really? So if I have a kid, don't talk to him and throw him out into the world when he's 14, he'll just know that he has the power to "make things how they are"?
    Do it and find out.

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    While my gut feeling would be that their rate is higher, I've found no study that backs that belief.
    Where did you look? Because a simple search takes you to several studies. Here's one:
    http://www.sprc.org/library/SPRC_LGBT_Youth.pdf

    Then one would have to be able to break it down to those who committed suicide because they were bullied and those who were simply depressed.
    No, that would be required for a study examining the causes of suicide. We're talking about studies that examine who commits suicide not why they do it.

    In the end though, IMO the reasons are all the same gay or straight.
    Considering that lgbt youth reported bullying more than straight kids and reported feeling "less safe" in their schools than straight kids, I would argue that while it's the same reasons sometimes, oftentimes it's directly related to social responses to their sexuality for the lgbt kids.

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Do it and find out.
    Use your common sense and answer my question.

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Maybe you should use yours. It's no mystery what people can do to make themselves happy. Socialization, sports, extracirricular activities, friends, other random things. If you spend most of your free time alone in your bedroom, you have nobody but yourself to blame when nobody gives a damn about your slit wrists and your lame ass poetry and paintings.
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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Where did you look? Because a simple search takes you to several studies. Here's one:
    http://www.sprc.org/library/SPRC_LGBT_Youth.pdf
    That article states that they are not able to conclude that LGB youths committ suicide at a higher rate. They note that they have a higher rate of suicidal ideation.

    No, that would be required for a study examining the causes of suicide. We're talking about studies that examine who commits suicide not why they do it.
    I'll look for a study that actually does this. Though as I said, I won't be surprised if that is the case.

    Considering that lgbt youth reported bullying more than straight kids and reported feeling "less safe" in their schools than straight kids, I would argue that while it's the same reasons sometimes, oftentimes it's directly related to social responses to their sexuality for the lgbt kids.
    But kids are hassled because they are shy and reserved and can't approach those of the opposite sex. I knew a kid that was harrassed because he let it be known that he would be waiting until he was married.

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    They have a higher suicide rate than the general population and LGBT kids are 4x more like to commit suicide than their peers...
    Where'd you come by that info?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I think that this only shows why we need to create strict rules and enforce them when it comes to bullying, especially when it comes to matters such as these.
    I think that you are assuming such tragic teenage angst over sexual orientation is entirely the product of bullying and social antipathy towards gays. This is not likely the case.

    Let's face it. There is something existentially absurd about the gay condition. Indeed, even the term "homosexual" is an oxymoron. For many such adolescents, what their true sexual orientation actually is may not be entirely clear considering the stormy effect of hormones on the brain at that age. For an adolescent whose innate psychobiological predisposition puts them somewhere on the cusp between being gay or being straight, the experience must be unsettling to say the least.

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