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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Temporal, I have a question.

    Does "view homosexuality as a sin for religious reasons" equate to "hate" in your book?

    Because based on my experience, many liberals seem to think that way.

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    I think you addressed the problem. The gays who are "obvious" and "effeminate" are the ones getting random ass-beatings. Make no mistake about it; gay-bashers are cowards. Having said that, chances are great that they were antagonized. There is no excuse for running around, talking with a lisp, wearing tied-up pink t-shirts, and sporting a "flock of seagulls" hairdo.

    Society is what it is - they judge people. Bummer. They do it. If a pretty girl walks out in a mini-skirt and a halter top, she's assumed to be a slut. If a black man walks by with a wife-beater and a do-rag, they're going to hold on to their wallet tightly. Welcome to the world.

    If you want to express yourself, feel free. I won't mind. However, someone else may, and you've done nothing but bait them.

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Did you read carefully what I wrote?

    "how do you think we can attempt to curb the amount, if not completely end, teen suicides, especially among those of the LGBT community?"
    I'll ask again. Why especially among the LGBT community?

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'll ask again. Why especially among the LGBT community?
    I would guess that it is probably because he believes that teens in the LGBT community have a higher rate of suicides. If that is true, I have no numbers for it, it would make sense to focus attempts to curb suicides where there is a higher rates. However, he never said to only focus on the LGBT suicides either.
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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie
    If you were a parent, your attitude would be an awful one to have. Parents are the first line of defense against all teen suicides. Kids who commit suicide are not cowards. They are depressed and hopeless. All the joy has left their lives. They are in need of medication, perhaps...definitely a proactive response from those who love them...and support from their school counselors and peers.

    Kids don't commit suicide in a vacuum. Somebody(ies) dropped the ball.
    I doubt they are "depressed and hopeless". People have the power to make things how they are. I played baseball from T-ball to varsity. I had plenty of friends. I was captain of my high school Quiz Bowl team that was a state finalist 3 of 4 years. I chose to make things happen. If you're going to be one of those brooding, dark, artist-type who becomes all antisocial and depressing, it's a conscious choice. I think very rarely can you blame it on hormones or chemicals.

    Maybe if you just have completely crappy parents your path gets more difficult. Mine divorced when I was 6, and my mom was never around between work and a social life. I just didn't have a desire to give up on life and force myself into misery. And yes, people who do that often do so by their own hand.

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    You can't. Why would you single out the LGBT community?
    They have a higher suicide rate than the general population and LGBT kids are 4x more like to commit suicide than their peers so it's less him singling them and more statistics singling them out. And yeah, it can be curbed.

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    People have the power to make things how they are.
    Where do people learn about and learn how to use that power?

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Where do people learn about and learn how to use that power?
    Um...nature? It's innate. You may as well ask how birds learn to fly.

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Temporal, I have a question.

    Does "view homosexuality as a sin for religious reasons" equate to "hate" in your book?

    Because based on my experience, many liberals seem to think that way.
    It depends on how they apply those passages to their lives.

    Sin is God's department, not man's. If someone is sinning in your eyes, it's really none of your business to judge them... but people turn it into hate, using Biblical passages all the time. Worry about your own karma.

    Incidentally, I think many Christians cling too tightly to Leviticus, all the while ignoring plenty of other passages that warrant death which we now ignore in the modern world. These passages are ones of convenience now. It lets people defer responsibility for having ignorant and bigoted views, despite being offered a wealth of knowledge from people who can show them a different perspective.

    Bigotry can be summed up as rigid intolerance, no matter how much information to the contrary is available. If people want to turn the concept of sin into an excuse to hate, then yes they are bigots, and yes they are hateful.

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    They have a higher suicide rate than the general population and LGBT kids are 4x more like to commit suicide than their peers so it's less him singling them and more statistics singling them out. And yeah, it can be curbed.
    Curbed, yes. Ended, no.

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