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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

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    I believe the OP stated his plan in the first post.
    I agree bullying is wrong, with the caveat that all bullying is wrong and that many bullied children, straight and gay, commit suicide.

    I want to know exactly what plans the OP has. I don't want a plan like Affirmative Action for gay/straight suicides, or something of the sort.

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

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    Thats not what I got from the OP. The fact is gay teens commit suicide in a higher percentage then their peers, and more education about homosexuality/transgenderism, as well as actual counselors in the school(which any student could utilize, not just LGBT teens) would be helpful.
    So more liberal ideology should be pumped into the public school system? Instead, how about put strict punishments against bullying?

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I agree bullying is wrong, with the caveat that all bullying is wrong and that many bullied children, straight and gay, commit suicide.

    I want to know exactly what plans the OP has. I don't want a plan like Affirmative Action for gay/straight suicides, or something of the sort.
    I stated my plan, which can be applied to all suicides. It is not Affirmative Action for anyone.
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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I stated my plan, which can be applied to all suicides. It is not Affirmative Action for anyone.
    Good. That is all the inquisitor wanted to know.

    I think that this only shows why we need to create strict rules and enforce them when it comes to bullying, especially when it comes to matters such as these. I think that there should be an open network of parents, teachers, and school counselors which a kid can come to and talk about their problems.
    Yeah, bullying is wrong. IF people want to make this into a special program for LGBT people, that is when it can become a problem.

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    So more liberal ideology should be pumped into the public school system? Instead, how about put strict punishments against bullying?
    Not liberal ideology, just comprehensive sex education, and free access to mental health professionals, which would cut down on all suicides, not just LGBT suicides.
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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Not liberal ideology, just comprehensive sex education, and free access to mental health professionals, which would cut down on all suicides, not just LGBT suicides.
    Yes liberal ideology.

    Now then, I do agree that all kids should have access to equal protections.

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Yes liberal ideology.

    Now then, I do agree that all kids should have access to equal protections.
    Proper sex education is not liberal ideology, just like proper science, or math education is not attached to an ideology, it just needs to be taught. And providing more mental health professionals in schools like I said, would not only help LGBT students, who do need help because they may be bullied at school, but they also be alienated at home because of parents/family who thing homosexuality/transgenderism is wrong, but it would also help out the whole student population. Of course, we would have to stop cutting spending for education.
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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Maybe we should just have "Affirmative Action for Esteem". Random commercials can come on with a huge picture of a thumbs-up with a caption like "Hang in there, queer".

    As you can plainly tell, this is a non-answer because this thread is about a non-factor. People commit suicide for many reasons, and I won't give attention to one sect.

    I wouldn't condone the federal government giving out billions to people who are in danger of committing suicide for financial reasons. I sure as hell won't condone any sort of legislation for this. If you're gay, broke, a minority, or whatever - and you wanna kill yourself, just do it. I don't sympathize with cowards.

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    After aboriginals, gays have the highest suicide rate as a demographic.

    When they talk about "curbing" suicide, it has more to do with education, prevention, and intervention, not "making straight people's lives more difficult". What a dumb comment.

    In terms of legalities gay rights have come a long way, but social consequences of being out of the closet (or an obvious, effeminate gay) are still steep for a lot of young people in many different communities. The isolation, ostracization, and violence that gay people face can drive them to taking drastic action to harm themselves.

    Gays are still hated in most areas. I currently live in the most liberal Canadian city, and there are still news reports of gay bashings in the city center. The social problems are far from fixed.

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    Re: Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Maybe we should just have "Affirmative Action for Esteem". Random commercials can come on with a huge picture of a thumbs-up with a caption like "Hang in there, queer".

    As you can plainly tell, this is a non-answer because this thread is about a non-factor. People commit suicide for many reasons, and I won't give attention to one sect.

    I wouldn't condone the federal government giving out billions to people who are in danger of committing suicide for financial reasons. I sure as hell won't condone any sort of legislation for this. If you're gay, broke, a minority, or whatever - and you wanna kill yourself, just do it. I don't sympathize with cowards.
    If you were a parent, your attitude would be an awful one to have. Parents are the first line of defense against all teen suicides. Kids who commit suicide are not cowards. They are depressed and hopeless. All the joy has left their lives. They are in need of medication, perhaps...definitely a proactive response from those who love them...and support from their school counselors and peers.

    Kids don't commit suicide in a vacuum. Somebody(ies) dropped the ball.
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