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    Re: Nazi Party & Communist Party Both Throw Their Support Behind Occupy Wall Street M

    This is soooo pathetic....
    I guess now all OWS protestors are crazy Nazi/Communists (dont know how you can be both of those sense they are totally contradicting ideology's) who are antisemitic now.... ]

    First you guys labeled them as democrats... Then hippies... Then anti capitalists... Now they are nazi/communist who hate jews...

    Good job guys...



    Pathetic...


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    Re: Nazi Party & Communist Party Both Throw Their Support Behind Occupy Wall Street M

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It's overly simplistic to conceive of right and left in America as right = small government and left = big government. The right wing, in this country, has historically been, both then and now, a whole lot more than just small-government-minded libertarians.
    Of course, but never big government Fascists.


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    Re: Nazi Party & Communist Party Both Throw Their Support Behind Occupy Wall Street M

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    Are anarchists (not anarcho-capitalists) also advocates of massive government, or are they not far-left?
    Anarchists would be the farthest right possible.


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    Re: Nazi Party & Communist Party Both Throw Their Support Behind Occupy Wall Street M

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It's overly simplistic to conceive of right and left in America as right = small government and left = big government. The right wing, in this country, has historically been, both then and now, a whole lot more than just small-government-minded libertarians.
    The right hasn't been for limited government since Coolidge. Modern day Republicans live in denial and are responsible for some of the largest increases in government, regulation, and debt.

    Sure they have a historical past of limited government, but that past is now approaching a century.


    Quote Originally Posted by Josie
    Anarchists would be the farthest right possible
    That depends on the anarchist school of thought. There is a left and right wing paradigm in anarchy. Not all anarchists are Rothbaridain anarchists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're confusing the Right Wing of 1930's Europe with the Right Wing of 21st Century America. They are two different things.
    It's not just the 1930s, fascism is still alive and well in 21st century Europe. I pointed out the difference in my post:

    Small government and few regulations is not the definition of right wing ideology, especially in the historical and global context.
    However, if we're going to pretend that these words are meaningless, and that left is right, right is left, up is down etc when applied to America, this isn't going to be a fruitful discussion.

    LOL...how did you dream all that up? One of your profs tell you all that bull hockey?
    They're the historical characteristics of each ideology. You're free to make up any definition of these words that you want to, but it's no way to conduct an intelligent debate.

    "Facists advocate class collaboration"...that's funny!
    They certainly didn't want to abolish class based society. They fully intended to protect class hierarchies.

    The reason Hitler targetted the Jews, was because they held most of the wealth in Germany at the time. Hitler took class warfare to all new heights.
    This was racial warfare, not class warfare. Hitler didn't target only rich jews and he didn't target rich Aryans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Anarchists would be the farthest right possible.
    Again, not so simple. There are left anarchists (progressive anarchists, anarcho-syndicalists) and right anarchists (anarcho-capitalists). If we're going to use a typical 2-dimensional political quiz to visualize where anarchists really are, most of them would be "down" rather than left or right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Anarchists would be the farthest right possible.
    Wow. So Emma Goldman, Rosa Luxemburg, Noam Chomsky, Bakunin and Kropotkin must have been some far right extremists, huh? You don't know what you're talking about.
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    Re: Nazi Party & Communist Party Both Throw Their Support Behind Occupy Wall Street M

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh yeah! Things are looking good for the entertainers!



    This just gets better and better.
    The Westboro Baptist Church supports banning gay marriage. So in other words it doesnt mean anything if a crazy group of people support your position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    This is soooo pathetic....
    I guess now all OWS protestors are crazy Nazi/Communists (dont know how you can be both of those sense they are totally contradicting ideology's) who are antisemitic now.... ]

    First you guys labeled them as democrats... Then hippies... Then anti capitalists... Now they are nazi/communist who hate jews...

    Good job guys...



    Pathetic...
    You disparage groups of people you don't agree with or don't like on this forum. So it's OK you to do it but not others?

    Now that's pathetic...
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    Re: Nazi Party & Communist Party Both Throw Their Support Behind Occupy Wall Street M

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Again, not so simple. There are left anarchists (progressive anarchists, anarcho-syndicalists) and right anarchists (anarcho-capitalists). If we're going to use a typical 2-dimensional political quiz to visualize where anarchists really are, most of them would be "down" rather than left or right.
    the linear paradigm is worthless because fascism and stalinism are essentially slightly different strains of the same disease. And your are right-bakunin anarcho-syndicalism approaches anarchy from the communist collective while some uber libertarians approach anarchism from the true right (total freedom and only so much government as to prevent crime and invasion)



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