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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Maybe, if the feds would butt out and take care of their own business, maybe concentrate on balancing the budget, putting a satisfactory end to the wars, secure the borders, you know, the things that they should be doing, we wouldn't have absurd actions like this one:



    A couple of locals are facing possible life sentences for operating medical marijuana dispensaries, and have already had their assets seized despite the fifth Amendment.

    Life sentences! You can kill someone and get off with a lighter sentence. Talk about an abuse of power!
    I don't understand why the state of California doesn't grow a pair and defend its citizens against the illegal acts of these federal agents. California should put the feds on notice that any federal agent entering California with the intent to kidnap California citizens based on illegal and unconstitutional usurpation will be arrested. The federal government will do what it wants until the states begin to draw a line in the sand. It is the duty of the state to protect its citizens from all criminals, even when those criminals come from Washington DC.

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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    The War On Drugs aka the Law Enforcement Employment Security Act.

    I am stunned to hear Scalia say something so... rational. Props when due, though.

    Prohibition never, ever works. Never has, never will. All Prohibition ever does is create a vibrant criminal network for a blackmarket supply to the demand. Legalize drugs, global cartels implode, crime rate plummets, prisons and courtrooms empty out and addicts can be legally monitored and assisted.

    Remember Prohibition in the early 20th century? The rallying cry was if liquor was legalized, everyone would be an alcoholic. Thing is, when liquor was legalized and regulated, people drank less, not more. True story.

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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post

    Remember Prohibition in the early 20th century? The rallying cry was if liquor was legalized, everyone would be an alcoholic. Thing is, when liquor was legalized and regulated, people drank less, not more. True story.
    I don't remember if it was psych. or criminal justice that I learned this during my college days but I remember the instructor was speaking about opportunity and behavior. Basically it boils down to legality in that for instance, underage drinkers tend to binge drink because the opportunity is present and the next available one is unknown, to compensate humans will over imbibe, it's the same thing for all illicit substances, drug addicts will seek out and indulge to the fullest when the opportunity is present, likewise the same thing happened during the alcohol prohibition in speakeasys, people died from "bathtub booze" like people die from junk drugs.
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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The War On Drugs aka the Law Enforcement Employment Security Act.

    I am stunned to hear Scalia say something so... rational. Props when due, though.

    Prohibition never, ever works. Never has, never will. All Prohibition ever does is create a vibrant criminal network for a blackmarket supply to the demand. Legalize drugs, global cartels implode, crime rate plummets, prisons and courtrooms empty out and addicts can be legally monitored and assisted.

    Remember Prohibition in the early 20th century? The rallying cry was if liquor was legalized, everyone would be an alcoholic. Thing is, when liquor was legalized and regulated, people drank less, not more. True story.
    Right, except that Scalia's concern is emptying courtrooms out -- and that's it. He didn't say boo about the rest of the consequences of the war on drugs.
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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Hellooooo?? He didn't say "drug laws are a mistake," no matter how much you wish he had. He said it was a mistake to have Federal laws against them...requiring the Federal justice system to try them and Federal resources to police them. It's a state matter.

    If you don't think it should be illegal to have a meth lab, be able to buy and sell coke, heroin, meth, whatever - well, I just don't know what to tell ya'. Except: WHAAAAT????

    Marijuana? I'm with ya' there. But only just.
    If an adult wants to poison themselves, I say let them, its their own body. The state should have no say.
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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I don't understand why the state of California doesn't grow a pair and defend its citizens against the illegal acts of these federal agents. California should put the feds on notice that any federal agent entering California with the intent to kidnap California citizens based on illegal and unconstitutional usurpation will be arrested. The federal government will do what it wants until the states begin to draw a line in the sand. It is the duty of the state to protect its citizens from all criminals, even when those criminals come from Washington DC.
    California is not exactly in agreement on the subject of medical marijuana. There is a lot of controversy over the subject right here, and some cheering the feds on as they invade.

    I say, let's bring back the Bear Flag Republic. California entered the union of its own free will after having split peacefully from Mexico. Now, it's time to split peacefully once again and become an independent nation.

    But, that idea could be just slightly controversial, too.
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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    California is not exactly in agreement on the subject of medical marijuana. There is a lot of controversy over the subject right here, and some cheering the feds on as they invade.

    I say, let's bring back the Bear Flag Republic. California entered the union of its own free will after having split peacefully from Mexico. Now, it's time to split peacefully once again and become an independent nation.

    But, that idea could be just slightly controversial, too.
    It may come to the point where exiting the federation is California's best alternative. However, if, as you say, the people of your state are divided on this, then interposition, being the less extreme remedy, probably ought to be considered first.

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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    California is not exactly in agreement on the subject of medical marijuana. There is a lot of controversy over the subject right here, and some cheering the feds on as they invade.

    I say, let's bring back the Bear Flag Republic. California entered the union of its own free will after having split peacefully from Mexico. Now, it's time to split peacefully once again and become an independent nation.

    But, that idea could be just slightly controversial, too.
    California is having trouble paying its bills now -- how do you figure that having to field its own military, send out its own diplomats, negotiate its own treaties, and finagle its own currency is going to help that? Also, are you under the illusion that California would be permitted to simply walk away from its share of the national debt?
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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You can't legislate human behavior no matter how hard you try or how much money you spend. Drugs are not the smartest thing on the planet to partake in but people who want to use them will regardless of consequence. No matter how idiot proof we try to make our laws the human condition will just create a better idiot.
    I agree that you cannot legislate human behavior, but that in and of itself is not enough of a reason to not legislate. You cannot legislate away things like murder and rape, but legislation against them are still appropriate, if only for punishment after the fact. The key should include weighing the damage done to innocent and unwilling victims, not whether or not it will happen anyway.

    I suppose one could argue that there are innocent and unwilling victims relating to drug use, and I don't necessarily disagree with that (though I don't buy into it fully, either), but I would say that much of it is more due to the illegal factor and resulting underground crime, not as much the drug availability itself.

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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The key should include weighing the damage done to innocent and unwilling victims, not whether or not it will happen anyway.
    By that reasoning we would be asking which is more harmful, a) dude smoking a joint, or b) throwing dude into the penal system. Cause there's not really a question about which is more beneficial--neither one of them offer us any benefit, (unless dude is a teenage boy and he drives more slowly and less aggressively because he is stoned).

    Where would that leave us if we evaluated every law by how well it serves the community to which it applies? Can you imagine?
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