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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well, Congress absolutely has the right to criminalize recreational drugs, as Congress has the power to regulate interstate commerce. However, I think it is better that Congress devolve the majority of these powers to the states.
    Yes, congress has the power regulate commerce among the states. I don't see a power to criminalize drugs, or anything else for that matter.

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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Yes, congress has the power regulate commerce among the states. I don't see a power to criminalize drugs, or anything else for that matter.
    They can deem certain goods illegal for sale as a part of their power to regulate interstate commerce.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Hellooooo?? He didn't say "drug laws are a mistake," no matter how much you wish he had. He said it was a mistake to have Federal laws against them...requiring the Federal justice system to try them and Federal resources to police them. It's a state matter.

    If you don't think it should be illegal to have a meth lab, be able to buy and sell coke, heroin, meth, whatever - well, I just don't know what to tell ya'. Except: WHAAAAT????

    Marijuana? I'm with ya' there. But only just.
    I agree. I don't see any good coming from the legal rampant consumption of meth, coke, LSD, etc. Pot? I couldn't care less, legalize it, it's a friggen weed grown naturally.
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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    They can deem certain goods illegal for sale as a part of their power to regulate interstate commerce.
    Do you mean illegal for sale within a state, or do you mean illegal for a person in one state to sell to a person in another state? It would seem that only the latter would be a possibility.

    Additionally, in the language of the day, the term regulate meant "to make regular" or to "cause to function properly". (They would use the term "a well regulated clock" for instance.) So do you really think that if congress were granted the power to make commerce regular among the states that this power would extend to banning the commerce among the states? The reason the power was delegated to the union was to prevent states from erecting trade barriers against each other, thus the need for the federal government to keep trade regular and prevent such trade barriers.

    However, even if, for the moment, we put aside what actual power congress has regarding commerce going from one state into another, I don't see any language that gives them the ability to deem any good illegal for sale within the borders of any particular state. That would be a power specifically reserved to the states and a violation of state sovereignty.

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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    All of the thousands of people who shouldn't be in prison because of these stupid ****ing laws, and Scalia's concern is that these stupid ****ing laws reduced the elite quality of the Federal courts?

    Really?

    Hey, Scalia: Boo ****ing hoo. Eat a pouch of freeze-dried syphilis-riddled penis.

    I'm a little more concerned with the thousands upon thousands of lives whose quality has been "reduced." You ****ing ego-centric small-minded short-sighted douchebag.

    Anybody whose concern is the harm done to the U.S. government or to the court system is missing the goddamned point.
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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    Maybe, if the feds would butt out and take care of their own business, maybe concentrate on balancing the budget, putting a satisfactory end to the wars, secure the borders, you know, the things that they should be doing, we wouldn't have absurd actions like this one:

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Federal prosecutors in California are ordering dozens of medical marijuana dispensaries to shut down in 45 days and warning their owners and landlords they face criminal charges or seizure of their assets if they do not comply.

    The state's four U.S. attorneys announced at a Sacramento news conference Friday that they have stepped up efforts to curtail both marijuana cultivation and retail sales of pot conducted under the cover of California's 15-year-old medical marijuana law.
    A couple of locals are facing possible life sentences for operating medical marijuana dispensaries, and have already had their assets seized despite the fifth Amendment.

    Life sentences! You can kill someone and get off with a lighter sentence. Talk about an abuse of power!
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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    I'd be fine if drugs laws were a state by state thing.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Maybe, if the feds would butt out and take care of their own business, maybe concentrate on balancing the budget, putting a satisfactory end to the wars, secure the borders, you know, the things that they should be doing, we wouldn't have absurd actions like this one:



    A couple of locals are facing possible life sentences for operating medical marijuana dispensaries, and have already had their assets seized despite the fifth Amendment.

    Life sentences! You can kill someone and get off with a lighter sentence. Talk about an abuse of power!
    I have always been opposed to the drug forfeiture laws passed at the later half of the '90s, you can have property taken and auctioned off before a conviction. If someone is found innocent they are stripped of their rightful property before they even have chance to reclaim it. That is a SERIOUS abuse of due process law.
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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I have always been opposed to the drug forfeiture laws passed at the later half of the '90s, you can have property taken and auctioned off before a conviction. If someone is found innocent they are stripped of their rightful property before they even have chance to reclaim it. That is a SERIOUS abuse of due process law.
    Absolutely, and a clear violation of the Fifth Amendment, but it still keeps happening.
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    Re: Scalia: Federal Drug Laws Were a Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Absolutely, and a clear violation of the Fifth Amendment, but it still keeps happening.
    That when combined with the tax bill to house all of the non-violent drug offenders are the two biggest problems in my opinion.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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