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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Granting you your rights should not lead to the rights of others being inhibitied. When your presence in a specific spot threatens the safety of another, creates undo damage to public or private property, or inhibits the flow of commerce, travel, or access to facilities for non-protestors then there is just cause to ask those assembled to move. They were not asked to disband, go home, or discontinue their rally. They were asked to move from a spot which had been recently laid with sod (at tax payer expense) due to the damage they would cause or were causing (to be corrected at tax payer expense). If some guy is strapped to a bulldozer to prevent the removal of ancient oaks the cops can and do arrest/remove that guy.
    People do not have a right to not be inconvienced, so long as they are not harmed, so that invalidates most of your argument, especially if the demonstration is in a public space such as a park or a street. Also, there is no evidence to show that anyone has been harmed or had their safety compromised by this demonstration.

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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    People do not have a right to not be inconvienced, so long as they are not harmed, so that invalidates most of your argument, especially if the demonstration is in a public space such as a park or a street. Also, there is no evidence to show that anyone has been harmed or had their safety compromised by this demonstration.
    If they are causing damage to property they most certainly can be asked to move from that area where they cannot cause said damage. The right to assemble does not also grant the right to obstruct or cause damage.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Supreme Court says you can place reasonable limitations on the time, place, and manner of assembly. Seems that asking protesters to move from an area to which they are causing damage would fit under "reasonable":

    The short answer is that the Constitution guarantees the right to public assembly, but that the government may place reasonable restrictions on the time, place and manner for using a public space.

    The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Please note that, while the text seems to apply only to Congress, the First Amendment applies to state and local governments also by operation of the Fourteenth Amendment. This is known as the “incorporation doctrine,” which I do not have time to discuss in detail. Suffice it to say, the First Amendment applies to your local city government.

    The text of the amendment states that the government “shall make no law” that abridges free speech and peaceable assembly, so it seems that James is on to something. If the local city government enacts a rule that closes city parks at 10 P.M., this would seem to be a law that abridges free speech and assembly. But, the Supreme Court has interpreted this language to permit the government to place reasonable restrictions on the time, place and manner in which people publicly speak or assemble.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Its amazing watching people respond with glee at people being hurt.

    Truly a sad thing.
    I'll tell what is sad. When people think it's cool to break the law, threaten underpaid police officers and then whine about the perps getting a bruise on their ass after being shoved to the ground for inciting a riot.

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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    If they are causing damage to property they most certainly can be asked to move from that area where they cannot cause said damage. The right to assemble does not also grant the right to obstruct or cause damage.
    i do hear you
    protecting that fresh sod trumps our right of assembly
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i do hear you
    protecting that fresh sod trumps our right of assembly
    sarcasm dilbert.jpg
    They were not being denied their right to assemble, Bubba. Are you intentionally misinterpreting the article to fight a non-existent fight, or are you just being argumentative for the hell of it?
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Let's look at the whole of what happened yesterday.... These scumballs screwed up traffic in downtown Boston all day, marching to and fro. They had to be barred from marching over a bridge that would have been unsafe for them to do so by Boston PD, and some elements of the crowd attempted to forment a movement to storm the Police Line and attempt to cross the bridge anyway. These people have been ILLEGALLY assembled on the Greenway in Boston for almost two weeks with no permits. The City is providing them with trash collection, electricity, and (I believe) sanitary facilities at the TAXPAYER'S expense. These morons last night overflowed out of Drury Square (the main hub of nutjob activity in the city for the last two weeks) and onto the Greenway. They were told they couldn't set up camp there. They tried to anyway. They got a much less violent and aggressive response from the Boston PD than I would have prefered.

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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    They were not being denied their right to assemble, Bubba. Are you intentionally misinterpreting the article to fight a non-existent fight, or are you just being argumentative for the hell of it?
    there you go, defending the protection of that fresh sod

    and willing to sacrifice your Constitutional right of assembly as the price of it


    too many people gave their lives giving us our liberties for some folks to piss them away

    but keep on worrying about that fresh sod the police were protecting ... while abusing veterans
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    People do not have a right to not be inconvienced, so long as they are not harmed, so that invalidates most of your argument, especially if the demonstration is in a public space such as a park or a street. Also, there is no evidence to show that anyone has been harmed or had their safety compromised by this demonstration.
    I hope they bring this thing to Worcester. I'll drive down there just to show them that their bodies are no match for a modern motor vehicle when they choose to block the streets. Hell, I might go out and rent a hummer just for the occasion.

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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    there you go, defending the protection of that fresh sod

    and willing to sacrifice your Constitutional right of assembly as the price of it


    too many people gave their lives giving us our liberties for some folks to piss them away

    but keep on worrying about that fresh sod the police were protecting ... while abusing veterans
    Cut the dramatics, Dorothy.

    Police had earlier warned the about 1,000 protesters to leave the Greenway area, where they had settled hours before, and relocate to Dewey Square or a small, adjacent strip of the Greenway.

    Officials do not want the protesters, who originally settled in Dewey Square, to occupy the space across Congress Street on the Greenway because it recently underwent a renovation project where expensive improvements were added, according to Elaine Driscoll, police spokeswoman.
    Which means that:
    bostonprotesters.JPG

    Though when I made the graphic I labeled it incorrectly. It should be switched, I believe.
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