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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So you won't mind if I bring over a few hundreds people and assemble at your place for the next 30-60 days.
    Lokiate is not the local governing body though. I think that many would have no issue with barring from private property. But overall, some are uncomfortable with the government having the unlimited ability to dictate where protest can occur.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Lokiate is not the local governing body though. I think that many would have no issue with barring from private property. But overall, some are uncomfortable with the government having the unlimited ability to dictate where protest can occur.
    well, hell's bell's let's also complain about the govt forcing you to get a permit to have a parade.

    all they would've had to do is move their protest to the other side of the street and off the newly planted sod. is that too much to ask? or, if they insisted on trampling the sod, they could have offered to cut the tax payers a check to pay to replace it.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Lokiate is not the local governing body though.
    The Constitution doesn't state I can only assemble in response to or against a governing body. To quote Lokiate:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate
    The First Amendment does not say 'the right of the people to peaceably to assemble, (as long as the location is convenient for the local governing body)'.
    The Constitution also doesn't say (as long as the location is convenient for the local population) either. This is my way of pointing out the flaw in Lokiate's logic, hence my use of the example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think that many would have no issue with barring from private property. But overall, some are uncomfortable with the government having the unlimited ability to dictate where protest can occur.
    I do agree don't get me wrong, I just made an over the top statement to show the argument wasn't the best one to make.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The Constitution also doesn't say (as long as the location is convenient for the local population) either. This is my way of pointing out the flaw in Lokiate's logic, hence my use of the example.
    It certainly doesn't. But I think the point is that functionally it's becoming more and more like that. I would agree with the assessment, I do believe the government has become increasingly aggressive against protest and dissent and works in ways to hide it. I have a very large problem with that.

    It's fine to discuss reasonable restrictions, surely it cannot exist in an anarchic state, there needs to be rules and regulations and protection and such. However, there seems to be no limits on the limitation. That is to say we can discuss the government moving demonstrations, arresting people, etc. under some pretense of reasonableness, but the government has never and never will be a reasonable force and there is never talk on restricting the restrictions. I already believe that under many circumstances, we are already unreasonably restrained from the exercise of our rights. And that is not a good place to be in. Certainly not what the founders fought for when the envisioned this Republic.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It certainly doesn't. But I think the point is that functionally it's becoming more and more like that. I would agree with the assessment, I do believe the government has become increasingly aggressive against protest and dissent and works in ways to hide it. I have a very large problem with that.
    I don't see this part, so we'll just have to disagree here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's fine to discuss reasonable restrictions, surely it cannot exist in an anarchic state, there needs to be rules and regulations and protection and such. However, there seems to be no limits on the limitation. That is to say we can discuss the government moving demonstrations, arresting people, etc. under some pretense of reasonableness, but the government has never and never will be a reasonable force and there is never talk on restricting the restrictions. I already believe that under many circumstances, we are already unreasonably restrained from the exercise of our rights. And that is not a good place to be in. Certainly not what the founders fought for when the envisioned this Republic.
    Agreed.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but they had to protect that sod
    I don't understand......what was the big deal about staying off the new sod? What was so important that they had to trample on it? Is it really so difficult to protest, state your mind and still be respectful of the things around you?

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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Can't take your article seriously, or the AP for that matter, if you/they are going to consider being pushed and subsequently falling to the ground as "beating"
    I would believe an AP reporter who was there, before I would believe an opinion of someone who wasn't there. But, that's just me............
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    None of the three videos you showed has anything to do with Boston, which is the topic of this thread. Take them to the thread on the NYC protests... unless that's where you got them in the first place.
    You're doing a poor job as NetNanny, Di. Funny how you have nothing to say to all the others bringing up issues that have nothing to do with Boston, like the ones talking about riots.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Steroidal testosterone laden cops?

    You expect me to take that pile of garbage seriously with terms like that????

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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I see you keep trying to throw in "elderly" and "veterans" as if that means anything.

    I don't care if you are elderly or young, man or woman, veteran or civilian, you DO NOT interfere with police activities.

    In a video I watched... nobody was "BEAT" one guy got tossed to the ground after he walked up on an officer who was making an arrest with a freaking flag pole in his hand. You can't see the guy walk up to the police, but you do see him fall down, and when the camera finally decides to move over to where he fell from, you see police Officers finishing up making an arrest......

    OooOoo... An old guy got pushed down for getting too close with a ****ing flag and pole in his hand... big ****ing deal.
    The police thugs always excuse their own violence, but a man walking with a flag...ooohhh, that deserves a beat down
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