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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    No they were not. Read the story. They were told to assemble at area A because area B had new sod. They went to area B and would not leave.
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    they failed to assemble in the 'free speech' zone




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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It'd be nice to have video of the incident before we rush to any judgments about both the protesters and the police...
    I'll by that for a dollar, but I don't think a 74 year old man is much of a threat to cops. Not the kind of threat that warrants knocking the guy on his ass.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    with the possible exception that they were denied their right of assembly


    but then neoconservatives believe that document is something only to be used to wipe their ass with
    Now, hold on a second. If a specific area is off-limits and you ask the assembled group to move to a different area that is hardly denying the right to assemble. The article says they were asked to move off a "freshly-planted greenway". When I went to one of the TP rallies down here, some of the attendees spilled into the street in front of the town hall, blocking traffic. Cops told them to move to unoccupied areas of grass/sidewalk and get off the roadway...hardly a denial of their rights to assemble. Sometimes, the spot a protester picks will obscure, block, or otherwise inhibit the normal activities of that particular area...or even present a potential risk to public safety. When that happens there is no denial of rights to demand that the protesters move to a different spot.

    Further, the protesters do not have a right to deface, damage, or threaten the condition of the property on which they choose to assemble. If they were damaging the area the cops had a right to ask them to move to an area they were less likely to cause damage to.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Now, hold on a second. If a specific area is off-limits and you ask the assembled group to move to a different area that is hardly denying the right to assemble. The article says they were asked to move off a "freshly-planted greenway". When I went to one of the TP rallies down here, some of the attendees spilled into the street in front of the town hall, blocking traffic. Cops told them to move to unoccupied areas of grass/sidewalk and get off the roadway...hardly a denial of their rights to assemble. Sometimes, the spot a protester picks will obscure, block, or otherwise inhibit the normal activities of that particular area...or even present a potential risk to public safety. When that happens there is no denial of rights to demand that the protesters move to a different spot.
    Declaring specific areas off limits and relegating demonstrations to places that are unseen and outside common areas are a useful way to minimize the impact of a demonstration, creating marginalization and thus diminishing the rights to assembly. We need to be very careful about being denied our constitution rights through these types of regulations. So I don't have a bone to pick with people who do not want to be denied their speech for legitimate grievences.

    There is a good reason people have issues with things such as free speech zones and what not. Unless there is an impact on public safety (which is not the same thing as creating an inconvienence for people), these things should not be regulated away from the citizenry.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I'll by that for a dollar, but I don't think a 74 year old man is much of a threat to cops. Not the kind of threat that warrants knocking the guy on his ass.
    So when exactly should the police decide the mob is out of control? After someone hits a cop in the face with a weapon? After they are on the ground being kicked and stomped? In case you missed it, the guy was screaming and resisting arrest.......that's the time when he should have had his clock cleaned.

    I loved all the other pansies in the background chanting "shame". I'll bet there were some soiled underwear in that crowd once they realized they had kicked a hornets nest.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Its amazing watching people respond with glee at people being hurt.

    Truly a sad thing.

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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Declaring specific areas off limits and relegating demonstrations to places that are unseen and outside common areas are a useful way to minimize the impact of a demonstration, creating marginalization and thus diminishing the rights to assembly. We need to be very careful about being denied our constitution rights through these types of regulations. So I don't have a bone to pick with people who do not want to be denied their speech for legitimate grievences.
    Granting you your rights should not lead to the rights of others being inhibitied. When your presence in a specific spot threatens the safety of another, creates undo damage to public or private property, or inhibits the flow of commerce, travel, or access to facilities for non-protestors then there is just cause to ask those assembled to move. They were not asked to disband, go home, or discontinue their rally. They were asked to move from a spot which had been recently laid with sod (at tax payer expense) due to the damage they would cause or were causing (to be corrected at tax payer expense). If some guy is strapped to a bulldozer to prevent the removal of ancient oaks the cops can and do arrest/remove that guy...I really don't see this as much different.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    with the possible exception that they were denied their right of assembly


    but then neoconservatives believe that document is something only to be used to wipe their ass with
    How were they denied their right of assembly? They were not denied that right. They were asked to vacate the area....to move off private property. If it was your front lawn, you'da had your Uzi out there.

    The police acted calmly...courteously. Don't move along? Get arrested. Resist arrest? Get roughed up. Buncha' nambie-pambie crybabies.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    got it
    they failed to assemble in the 'free speech' zone
    No, they just failed to have enough respect for the workers that installed the new grass.





    what is not funny is how the neoconservatives wipe their asses on it
    You can assert that all you want, that doesn't make it true. Plus, I doubt you even know what a neocon is. Traditionally, the title neocon has been applied to the less liberal democrats.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    No they were not. Read the story. They were told to assemble at area A because area B had new sod. They went to area B and would not leave.

    Here we go -- railing against the sodomites again.........
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